ᐅ 12 x 9.6 m, 2 full stories, basement, attic, 4 children's bedrooms
Created on: 26 Apr 2018 22:24
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Johannes L
Hello everyone,
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
Try to avoid constantly adding unnecessary corners and edges to the rooms. A room feels peaceful when it is rectangular. By the way, the door/wall to the office is unnecessary and could be removed.
My desk alone is 1.80m (6 feet) – yours only 1.60m (5 feet 3 inches)? It feels very cramped when there are walls right next to it on both sides.
Overall, this is another design where countless wishes are forced into the available square meters. Instead of giving up something, everything is squeezed in at all costs. The result is cramped and oppressive rooms with awkward corners and guest toilets that no one wants to use.
Furthermore, the unexplained fear of immobility in old age—even up to wheelchair dependence—looms over the design again. And all of this with a budget that calls the entire project into question.
I think there isn’t much more to add to this cluttered design. It would be better to wait for the architect’s alternative design now. But preferably without showing your current plan.
My desk alone is 1.80m (6 feet) – yours only 1.60m (5 feet 3 inches)? It feels very cramped when there are walls right next to it on both sides.
Overall, this is another design where countless wishes are forced into the available square meters. Instead of giving up something, everything is squeezed in at all costs. The result is cramped and oppressive rooms with awkward corners and guest toilets that no one wants to use.
Furthermore, the unexplained fear of immobility in old age—even up to wheelchair dependence—looms over the design again. And all of this with a budget that calls the entire project into question.
I think there isn’t much more to add to this cluttered design. It would be better to wait for the architect’s alternative design now. But preferably without showing your current plan.
Yes, with every new "revelation," contributors have disappeared from this thread because it becomes impossible to follow, everything feels forced, and everyone annoys everyone else – it’s far from pleasant.
When it comes to the budget, either the basement or both home offices end up being cut...
When it comes to the budget, either the basement or both home offices end up being cut...
ypg schrieb:
When it comes to the budget, either the basement or both home offices get cut...Or both, and that's when the real chaos begins. There’s also the garage and parking space, outdoor areas... It will be interesting to see what remains in the end. My guess: ground floor with the utility room, first floor with the laundry room plus master bedroom, and attic for the kids on a smaller footprint.Regarding the current floor plan discussion.. I would also combine the ground floor bathroom and guest toilet and possibly make the toilet separable, similar to Yvonne’s suggestion.
Windows.. on the upper floor, I would avoid installing floor-to-ceiling windows. This often reduces the available space for furniture, especially in children's rooms.
Windows.. on the upper floor, I would avoid installing floor-to-ceiling windows. This often reduces the available space for furniture, especially in children's rooms.
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Johannes L3 May 2018 09:21Hello kbt09,
thank you for your constructive comment regarding the floor plan. The full-height windows on the upper floor are divided in the middle, so you can definitely imagine different options there. How we will finalize it is not yet decided, and this naturally also applies to the bathroom and other areas. Regarding the windows, I have also taken into account that openings larger than 2.5 m² (27 ft²) in the rough construction or 3 m² (32 ft²) in the brickwork are not allowed to be counted as fully built-up walls (I read this somewhere but can’t remember exactly where).
In principle, the wall between the study and the bedroom on both the ground floor and upper floor can be removed. If you plan it as a drywall partition or non-load-bearing wall, it gives you long-term flexibility.
@katja: Many thanks for your numerous suggestions and drawings. They have been very helpful, which you can clearly see from the evolution of the floor plans. It’s not a problem that we don’t agree on details like the bathroom, guest toilet, and study in the end. Others— and there are already over 4,000 views—who are looking for a floor plan with similar requirements will certainly find this thread useful, and whether they follow the arguments presented or not is up to them. Therefore, I do not understand the frustrations expressed by some commentators.
thank you for your constructive comment regarding the floor plan. The full-height windows on the upper floor are divided in the middle, so you can definitely imagine different options there. How we will finalize it is not yet decided, and this naturally also applies to the bathroom and other areas. Regarding the windows, I have also taken into account that openings larger than 2.5 m² (27 ft²) in the rough construction or 3 m² (32 ft²) in the brickwork are not allowed to be counted as fully built-up walls (I read this somewhere but can’t remember exactly where).
In principle, the wall between the study and the bedroom on both the ground floor and upper floor can be removed. If you plan it as a drywall partition or non-load-bearing wall, it gives you long-term flexibility.
@katja: Many thanks for your numerous suggestions and drawings. They have been very helpful, which you can clearly see from the evolution of the floor plans. It’s not a problem that we don’t agree on details like the bathroom, guest toilet, and study in the end. Others— and there are already over 4,000 views—who are looking for a floor plan with similar requirements will certainly find this thread useful, and whether they follow the arguments presented or not is up to them. Therefore, I do not understand the frustrations expressed by some commentators.
Johannes L schrieb:
...which can certainly be seen very clearly in the evolution of floor plans. It's already a step forward to see any development at all. Developing a sense for room sizes and space requirements is also progress. It's clear that this doesn't need to be perfect after just three weeks. Now would be a good time to visit a model home park to familiarize yourself with the dimensions of the rooms and compare them to your proposed sizes.
It remains important to stay open to alternatives, especially if the budget is tight.
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