ᐅ 12 x 9.6 m, 2 full stories, basement, attic, 4 children's bedrooms
Created on: 26 Apr 2018 22:24
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Johannes L
Hello everyone,
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
I wouldn’t ignore the financial aspect.
400K for the requirements is WAY too little.
You probably need to start with the basement, which should be eliminated, and then you should consider compensation areas—places where things can be stored (use the attic completely for this).
Where is the money supposed to come from to develop the basement and attic? You’re not just talking about a minor amount. You will also need to save a lot for the outdoor areas...
And finishing the two floors while living in the house probably isn’t enjoyable, I would guess.
Furthermore, more space needs to be created for important areas (living-dining area, where family members will spend most of their time), instead of endless corridors, which all cost money without apparent benefit. A side entrance improves the position of the staircase (landing against the wall, which is how it is positioned in our house; simpler) and will definitely look better visually.
I also wouldn’t put too much emphasis on the staircase situation for later. You are living now; you can’t plan for everything that might happen in the future. Life will always evolve.
400K for the requirements is WAY too little.
You probably need to start with the basement, which should be eliminated, and then you should consider compensation areas—places where things can be stored (use the attic completely for this).
Where is the money supposed to come from to develop the basement and attic? You’re not just talking about a minor amount. You will also need to save a lot for the outdoor areas...
And finishing the two floors while living in the house probably isn’t enjoyable, I would guess.
Furthermore, more space needs to be created for important areas (living-dining area, where family members will spend most of their time), instead of endless corridors, which all cost money without apparent benefit. A side entrance improves the position of the staircase (landing against the wall, which is how it is positioned in our house; simpler) and will definitely look better visually.
I also wouldn’t put too much emphasis on the staircase situation for later. You are living now; you can’t plan for everything that might happen in the future. Life will always evolve.
Johannes L schrieb:
The width of 12m (39 feet) is fixed because of the building boundary. Overall, I actually like it, and if necessary, I could also accept having one bedroom facing the street. With a good mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery, open windows shouldn’t really be an issue anymore. What I don’t understand is what the problem with the bathroom’s wastewater drainage is.
...and would the staircase to the attic also work (Maria’s issue)? Oh, I missed the 12m (39 feet) width. Then there’s only room for a shower downstairs, which might be better for the budget anyway. Unfortunately, the second office has to go to make space for the large bathroom. So the attic really is the only option left.
I don’t see Maria’s staircase problem here. Also not with your design.
Wastewater drainage in the bathroom would be problematic if the pipes run through the living room. It’s ideal if the bathrooms are roughly aligned vertically or if the pipes run through other secondary rooms.
I don’t think your design is bad overall — but the living room is very long and narrow. I’m afraid that makes it quite uncomfortable.
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Johannes L27 Apr 2018 13:12Hello Bortel,
a basement is a must, but it doesn’t have to have windows or be finished (it should then be connected to the mechanical ventilation system to remove moisture). The budget is not quite maxed out at 400. An extra 48 is available if the child construction subsidy really comes this year, and if we still can’t make it with around 450, we’ll have to see. Up to 450 we are comfortably within our comfort zone; above that it hurts, but of course, we won’t sell the caravan.
@katja: thanks again. I think if the office, bathroom, and children’s bedroom on the upper floor are arranged like on the ground floor (where the dining room is, of course), the second office should fit.
Our current bathroom is 3.1 sqm (33 sq ft) and, as mentioned, we live in 90 sqm (970 sq ft).
The long living/dining/kitchen area is about 4 m (13 ft) wide, similar to our current living room. We don’t find that ideal, but it’s not too bad either. It’s always a matter of what you are used to and where you come from.
Best regards,
Johannes
a basement is a must, but it doesn’t have to have windows or be finished (it should then be connected to the mechanical ventilation system to remove moisture). The budget is not quite maxed out at 400. An extra 48 is available if the child construction subsidy really comes this year, and if we still can’t make it with around 450, we’ll have to see. Up to 450 we are comfortably within our comfort zone; above that it hurts, but of course, we won’t sell the caravan.
@katja: thanks again. I think if the office, bathroom, and children’s bedroom on the upper floor are arranged like on the ground floor (where the dining room is, of course), the second office should fit.
Our current bathroom is 3.1 sqm (33 sq ft) and, as mentioned, we live in 90 sqm (970 sq ft).
The long living/dining/kitchen area is about 4 m (13 ft) wide, similar to our current living room. We don’t find that ideal, but it’s not too bad either. It’s always a matter of what you are used to and where you come from.
Best regards,
Johannes
Johannes L schrieb:
The long living/dining/kitchen area is about 4m (13 feet) wide, similar to the size of our current living room. While we don’t think that’s ideal, it’s not really that bad. Of course, it also depends on where you’re coming from and what you’re used to.
Never, ever accept disadvantages in a house build just because you’ve managed so far! Make sure to free yourselves from that mindset! Otherwise, you could just keep living there. With this budget and house size, there will certainly be compromises, but first aim for the optimum.
Johannes L schrieb:
I think if you arrange the office, bathroom, and children's bedroom on the upper floor the same way as on the ground floor (where it is, of course, the master bedroom), then the second office should fit. Yep. But only a small office of about 6.8m² (73 square feet).
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j.bautsch27 Apr 2018 13:37kaho674 schrieb:
...But first, aim for the optimum. I agree. You’re really spending a significant amount of money, so you should definitely try to get the best outcome—not just do things the way they’ve always been done, but think outside the box and see if there’s a better way.
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