ᐅ 12 x 9.6 m, 2 full stories, basement, attic, 4 children's bedrooms
Created on: 26 Apr 2018 22:24
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Johannes L
Hello everyone,
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
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Johannes L30 Apr 2018 07:58Hello everyone,
So, the guest bathroom is 80 x 110 cm (31.5 x 43.3 inches). I based this on some floor plans I found online. The door is 65 cm (25.6 inches) wide. The door to our current bathroom is only 60 cm (23.6 inches) wide, and you can still enter without having to turn sideways, as long as you’re not particularly wide built.
I just looked up the standard. According to VDI 6000 Part 3, the minimum dimensions are
As far as I understand, these don’t apply to private households, and 80 x 110 cm (31.5 x 43.3 inches) isn’t too far from that. It’s not supposed to be a comfort oasis anyway.
I will try the kitchen layout again. Thanks for the tip.
And one more thing about the budget. I understand that with 450,000—according to some forum comments—we can’t expect luxury fittings. Pressing this point further won’t bring new insights. Since this forum is for discussing floor plans and not finances, I would appreciate if we could leave it at that.
Best regards,
Johannes
So, the guest bathroom is 80 x 110 cm (31.5 x 43.3 inches). I based this on some floor plans I found online. The door is 65 cm (25.6 inches) wide. The door to our current bathroom is only 60 cm (23.6 inches) wide, and you can still enter without having to turn sideways, as long as you’re not particularly wide built.
I just looked up the standard. According to VDI 6000 Part 3, the minimum dimensions are
- Width, toilet cubicle: 90 cm (35.4 inches)
- Depth, toilet cubicle: 125 cm (49.2 inches)
As far as I understand, these don’t apply to private households, and 80 x 110 cm (31.5 x 43.3 inches) isn’t too far from that. It’s not supposed to be a comfort oasis anyway.
I will try the kitchen layout again. Thanks for the tip.
And one more thing about the budget. I understand that with 450,000—according to some forum comments—we can’t expect luxury fittings. Pressing this point further won’t bring new insights. Since this forum is for discussing floor plans and not finances, I would appreciate if we could leave it at that.
Best regards,
Johannes
Johannes L schrieb:
As far as I understand, these rules do not apply to private households, and 80x110 is not that far off anyway. It’s not supposed to become a cozy retreat
Yes, it is! The whole house is meant to be a cozy retreat!
Your mindset is still stuck in compromise mode...
“Tank, the jump program!”...
haydee schrieb:
Somehow a guest toilet is missing. I’m just imagining a bunch of teenagers on a Saturday evening in the living room, and I want to quickly go to the restroom or take a bath while lightly dressed...Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Finally someone who thinks the same way!
Johannes L schrieb:
The door to our current bathroom is only 60cm (24 inches) wide, and it works*SQUEAL*
Please forget the statement "it works" for your future planning. As I said, you can also wash yourself in the kitchen with seven kids—it works too. You are building your house, it should be more than just "it works."
I’m not going to dwell on why a bathroom door only 60cm (24 inches) wide is absolutely unacceptable, but please first plan so that your requirements (and you should think carefully about what reasonable, negotiable, and non-negotiable requirements are) are fulfilled.
Compromises come afterwards, and then where they cause the least impact.
Regarding the 60 cm (24 inches) door and the toilet dimensions, I would also raise concerns about situations such as surgery or illness. When I had knee surgery three years ago and was on crutches for several weeks, I would have been completely stuck in a bathroom like that.
This is something to always keep in mind.
Best regards, Tina
This is something to always keep in mind.
Best regards, Tina
Johannes L schrieb:
I’ve now found a spot for the guest toilet after all. Aside from the absurd size – what will happen to the toilet with the planned separation of the floors? Will it be removed? Then you’ll face the same problem again, that there is no guest toilet.J
Johannes L30 Apr 2018 09:32True, a 60cm (24 inch) door is definitely not a luxury, but we have been living here for 7 years and everyone, literally everyone, has managed to get through the over 3-meter-long (10 foot) hallway, which is 65cm (26 inch) wide, all the way to the bathroom and back... and the guest toilet is meant for guests who only need to use it briefly. Especially when a bit tipsy, it’s easier to maintain direction this way.
By the way, my mother is a wheelchair user and has an electric height-adjustable toilet. That would easily fit into our master bathroom as well. It’s also clear why she doesn’t use the guest toilet.
Why would you remove the guest toilet just because the floors are separated?
Regards,
Johannes
By the way, my mother is a wheelchair user and has an electric height-adjustable toilet. That would easily fit into our master bathroom as well. It’s also clear why she doesn’t use the guest toilet.
Why would you remove the guest toilet just because the floors are separated?
Regards,
Johannes
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