ᐅ Layout Feedback: One-and-a-Half-Story House in Northern Germany
Created on: 21 Sep 2023 20:12
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roookeee
Hello everyone,
we are currently planning a house, see attachments, and would like to hear your opinions on our ideas and the current status.
These aspects cannot be changed:
The following can be changed, among other things:
A few general comments before we go room by room:
Here are our thoughts and requirements per room:
a) Living room
b) Kitchen
c) Utility room (HAR)
d) Guest WC
e) Storage room (Kammer)
f) Ground floor hallway
g) Bedroom
h) Large office
i) Small office
j) Bathroom
k) Upper floor hallway
Thanks a lot,
roookeee


we are currently planning a house, see attachments, and would like to hear your opinions on our ideas and the current status.
These aspects cannot be changed:
- Exterior dimensions cannot be changed with the current general contractor (GC) nor are there better exterior dimensions offered by the GC (due to building envelope restrictions)
- The house cannot be rotated, the zoning plan does not allow a wider house
- The house cannot be moved to the other side or the center of the plot, again because of the zoning plan
- The zoning plan requires a 1.5-story house with a roof pitch between 40° and 60°, we are currently planning 45°
- The southwest roof must remain mostly free, as we need space there for the Photovoltaic panels required for KFW40 (planned 5-10 kWp)
The following can be changed, among other things:
- All interior walls (of course nothing unreasonable, structural integrity must be maintained)
- All doors and windows regarding position and size
- Position of the stairs
- The ground floor bay window cannot be resized but can be positioned anywhere along the long exterior wall, including the opposite side
- All furniture is just for illustration and will be adjusted later
A few general comments before we go room by room:
- GC floor plan, heavily adapted by us after discussing several proposals with multiple GCs over a few months
- There are two of us
- We both work from home, so two offices are a must for data privacy reasons
- No children are planned or desired, so no children’s rooms or the like
- Yes, the northeast-facing garden is not ideal, but for us, the plot is otherwise great
- The plot is in a very urban suburb and surrounded by single-family homes, each with at least 500m² (5400 sq ft) plots
- The plot is about 17 x 29m (56 x 95 ft), the street is along the long side; the house must be positioned on the left side (see zoning plan excerpt, blue area is the plot, a small section on the left is separated and does not belong to us – no right of way)
- All interior doors are currently 90cm (35 inches) rough opening, living room entrance for sliding door 1m (39 inches), the utility room door might also be 1m
- The images are roughly to scale but not 100%, we recreated the floor plan in some free tool
- Upper floor walls and non-load-bearing walls on the ground floor would be a bit thinner than shown, but that should not make much difference
- The structure will be timber frame construction
- Parking space planned to the left of the house, initially no carport
- Knee wall height is 90cm (35 inches)
- About 130m² (1400 sq ft) according to WoFIV (German living space regulation)
- No basement
Here are our thoughts and requirements per room:
a) Living room
- Enough space for a sofa area plus two 180 x 60cm (71 x 24 inches) desks for gaming/hobbies, arranged so that when watching TV you don’t see the PC screens in your peripheral vision and vice versa
- We do not want or need a large dining table in the living room
- One of the terrace doors should be used for ventilation, a permanent insect screen resistant to our cats will be installed here, so we need a post between the doors (the opposite of a mullion-free door)
- The southern terrace door should have a normal insect screen door
- Terrace doors suggested by forum advice to be 1.2m (47 inches) wide so that larger items can pass through, especially since they are not mullion-free
- Some windows are fixed to 1) possibly save money, 2) increase window area; we are still considering if a second operable window might be better, the northern floor-to-ceiling window would be best suited for that
- Door to the room is deliberately centered so that when opening you do not stand directly in front of chairs or look at someone sitting at the PC
- We like the sliding door, especially since otherwise the door position would be “in the middle of the room”
- We see no reason to move the bay window into the living room; the room depth of about 5m (16 ft) would be too much for TV for us
b) Kitchen
- Should be closed off, we don’t want our cats in there and generally prefer a closed kitchen, non-negotiable
- Wall to the living room will be non-load-bearing in case we want to change later
- The bay window gives us apparently the most space here (side note: it costs us almost nothing, so we don’t want to drop it)
- We are considering if a sliding door would work well here, what do you think?
- We want a lot of continuous countertop for cutting, lots of storage, and short work paths
- Fridge and oven should NOT be behind seating places, it’s just annoying and cramped (from experience)
- There will really only be one fridge in the kitchen; freezer will be in utility room
- We like a pantry cabinet in the kitchen for “frequently used” supplies, other storage will be in the utility room
- We might be open to other ideas but want a real table, no bar stools. The table must be movable.
c) Utility room (HAR)
- Fixed equipment: heating (heat pump), water storage, inverter, photovoltaic storage, etc.
- Functional room but should have space for a freezer and some storage
- Washing machine and dryer are intentionally not here but in the upstairs bathroom
d) Guest WC
- It’s just a toilet room; that’s fine for us
- We currently think we do not need a shower here, that would complicate the closet next to it
e) Storage room (Kammer)
- We have two very easily frightened cats, so this is the “cat litter room” plus storage space
- Cat litter boxes are deliberately not in the utility room; noises might disturb them and we want to avoid having to find a compromise for the cat litter boxes in the new build – this is the safe way, non-negotiable
- 1-2 cupboards for storing winter clothes or similar
f) Ground floor hallway
- Should offer space for a coat rack (see indentation in the wall near the utility room)
- Designed so a shallow cabinet could be placed in narrow spots
- We currently live with a hallway about 1.4m (55 inches) wide and find it quite nice
- The staircase turn has not been finalized yet, any suggestions?
- Do you have ideas about the dimensions and placement of a skylight or light element at the stairs?
g) Bedroom
- No floor-to-ceiling window desired (privacy reasons), non-negotiable
- Position is important to us (away from street and neighbors, facing north)
- It is relatively large, might not need to be that big
- Must leave room for plenty of closets etc.
- Space around the bed is important to us
- Are two roof windows too many or too few?
h) Large office
- No floor-to-ceiling window desired (privacy reasons), non-negotiable
- Intended as office + lounge room in case other rooms are occupied, thus also TV etc.
- Deliberately larger than the other office to fulfill this function
- Are two roof windows too many or too few?
i) Small office
- No floor-to-ceiling window desired (privacy reasons), non-negotiable
- Just an office, no other special requirements
j) Bathroom
- No floor-to-ceiling window desired (privacy reasons), non-negotiable
- A large shower of 1.1 x 1.1m (43 x 43 inches) is important to us
- Washing machine and dryer intentionally located here for short walking distances
- Fixed spot for a drying rack so it doesn’t get in the way
- Toilet should not be under the sloped ceiling, deliberately positioned on the straight wall with at least 2m (6 ft 7 inches) height
- Layout made to the best of our knowledge; we’re open to ideas
- We don’t want or need a bathtub
- 1-2 cabinets would be nice for cleaning supplies and towel storage
k) Upper floor hallway
- Just a hallway
- Any suggestions on the dimensions and positioning of a skylight or light element at the stairs? Should we have a second one upstairs at all?
- Hatch to the attic
Thanks a lot,
roookeee
I completely miss the connection between the kitchen and the terrace. I also find the bay window to be a waste of space. With this orientation, you would first think of a bay window facing the garden, continuing as a dormer on the upper floor.
Are the cats allowed outside? If not, is an outdoor enclosure planned?
Are the cats allowed outside? If not, is an outdoor enclosure planned?
I see some similarities with your floor plan, so I’m joining the conversation here.
We are also a gaming couple who both work from home. We have just finished building our second house (in the final stages).
For our first house, we had a general contractor’s floor plan which we adapted to our needs.
A quick note upfront: They build it exactly as you want. However, after moving in, we realized that we are not architects, and some of our changes had negative effects we hadn’t anticipated during planning.
For the second house, we wrote down our requirements in text on two DIN A4 pages and an architect designed a wonderful home for us. Since moving in, we’ve been noticing many positive aspects that we hadn’t been aware of before.
Great sightlines, beautiful natural light, stunning sunrises visible from the bedroom—so many things turned out really well that I never would have thought of. Room sizes and layout all feel cozy and right. I don’t think we would have been able to plan this as laypeople.
I also wouldn’t have dared to commission a solo architect myself. But this general contractor offered a custom floor plan for an additional 1500€ (approximately 1500€) fee. If we had built with this contractor, that amount would have been deducted from the total cost. Instead, we paid 1500€ just for the design.
I can only wholeheartedly recommend this to you: Let a professional handle the planning.
Our first house certainly wasn’t bad. And we didn’t give it up because of the house itself, but for family reasons. But the second house—custom designed for us—is simply amazing.
Specifically about your floor plan:
- I wouldn’t put the washer/dryer in the bathroom. You have plenty of space for two people, so there should really be a utility room. Ours is on the upper floor where the laundry is generated, and I find it very practical.
- I wouldn’t place skylights directly above the bed. If I didn’t have kids, I’d want to sleep in on weekends. 😀
- The living room area between the sofa corner and the desk feels like a “ballroom,” since it’s hard to furnish and very large. That’s unlikely to feel cozy.
- Even with two people working from home, I think four PC workstations across three rooms is a bit excessive. Couldn’t this be reduced to two somehow? We have two large workstations in the office for regular work and one backup workstation in the room opposite.
- I know you don’t want to hear this, but a 375 (thousand) all-in price for a house of this size in the suburban area of a city seems unlikely to me. I won’t go into detail unless you want me to, but I’d recommend discussing the financial planning aspects as well. No one wants to ruin your dream, but ending up with a lot of work still left when the money runs out leads to needing extra financing or personal bankruptcy. Both options are more than uncomfortable.
We are also a gaming couple who both work from home. We have just finished building our second house (in the final stages).
For our first house, we had a general contractor’s floor plan which we adapted to our needs.
A quick note upfront: They build it exactly as you want. However, after moving in, we realized that we are not architects, and some of our changes had negative effects we hadn’t anticipated during planning.
For the second house, we wrote down our requirements in text on two DIN A4 pages and an architect designed a wonderful home for us. Since moving in, we’ve been noticing many positive aspects that we hadn’t been aware of before.
Great sightlines, beautiful natural light, stunning sunrises visible from the bedroom—so many things turned out really well that I never would have thought of. Room sizes and layout all feel cozy and right. I don’t think we would have been able to plan this as laypeople.
I also wouldn’t have dared to commission a solo architect myself. But this general contractor offered a custom floor plan for an additional 1500€ (approximately 1500€) fee. If we had built with this contractor, that amount would have been deducted from the total cost. Instead, we paid 1500€ just for the design.
I can only wholeheartedly recommend this to you: Let a professional handle the planning.
Our first house certainly wasn’t bad. And we didn’t give it up because of the house itself, but for family reasons. But the second house—custom designed for us—is simply amazing.
Specifically about your floor plan:
- I wouldn’t put the washer/dryer in the bathroom. You have plenty of space for two people, so there should really be a utility room. Ours is on the upper floor where the laundry is generated, and I find it very practical.
- I wouldn’t place skylights directly above the bed. If I didn’t have kids, I’d want to sleep in on weekends. 😀
- The living room area between the sofa corner and the desk feels like a “ballroom,” since it’s hard to furnish and very large. That’s unlikely to feel cozy.
- Even with two people working from home, I think four PC workstations across three rooms is a bit excessive. Couldn’t this be reduced to two somehow? We have two large workstations in the office for regular work and one backup workstation in the room opposite.
- I know you don’t want to hear this, but a 375 (thousand) all-in price for a house of this size in the suburban area of a city seems unlikely to me. I won’t go into detail unless you want me to, but I’d recommend discussing the financial planning aspects as well. No one wants to ruin your dream, but ending up with a lot of work still left when the money runs out leads to needing extra financing or personal bankruptcy. Both options are more than uncomfortable.
kati1337 schrieb:
We are also a couple who loves gaming. I thought of you and your old house. You turned the extra room into a gaming room, which can also be used as an office.
I can only stress again not to focus too much on one hobby and build the house in a way that limits its use socially. It’s good to plan enough space for desks. But doubling that, so having 4 desks for 2 people, and deciding in your early 30s that for the rest of your life you won’t even be able to have dinner at home with several couples because the rooms don’t allow it—that’s a big restriction.
Okay, here you can convert two gaming setups into a dining table, but I would plan for that in advance as well.
You will definitely change over time. Everyone changes every 7 years. This affects perspectives, needs, interests, and goals. Just keep that in mind. Of course, the present should take priority.
@K a t j a already expressed it well: a bay window facing the garden, acting as a light catcher, and the kitchen with terrace access should be located there.
A secondary bay window (maximum 1/3 of the total length) would also need approval if it extends beyond the building line (building permit / planning permission).
And if you add many windows on the south or west side, for example above the stairs, you also let important sunlight into the house in the afternoon.
Personally, I would not sacrifice a southern exposure for a utility room, toilet, or storage room.
For now, I’ll hold off on responding to the individual comments, but thanks to everyone for the feedback!
We have discussed the points here over the last 1-2 nights and will review everything again with our general contractor, who offers some individual planning services. It will probably be similar to @kati1337, where an in-house architect will handle it. If they don’t do it, we will consider reaching out to an external architect again. Thanks again specifically for your message, @kati1337. We will get back to you 🙂
P.S.: The house price we mentioned is really just the house price, excluding land and additional construction costs (planning permission fees, inspections, etc.).
We have discussed the points here over the last 1-2 nights and will review everything again with our general contractor, who offers some individual planning services. It will probably be similar to @kati1337, where an in-house architect will handle it. If they don’t do it, we will consider reaching out to an external architect again. Thanks again specifically for your message, @kati1337. We will get back to you 🙂
P.S.: The house price we mentioned is really just the house price, excluding land and additional construction costs (planning permission fees, inspections, etc.).
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