ᐅ Single-family house floor plan ~170 m² – just at the very beginning
Created on: 7 Jul 2022 16:36
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Klaustal
Hello, let’s start with the list.
Development Plan / Restrictions
There are no restrictions in our development plan that conflict with our wishes.
Typical requirements include a 3m (10 ft) setback from the property boundary and 5m (16 ft) clearance for the garage, with 2 parking spaces required; otherwise, everything is unrestricted.
The plot is just under 400m² (4,300 sq ft), location as shown in the pictures.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, Roof Type, Building Type
Modern / timeless style, no city villa 😎 . For cost and storage reasons, no flat roof either, so we have settled on a pitched roof with little or no overhang.
Basement, Floors
No basement, 2 full stories.
Number of Residents, Ages
We are 47 and 41 plus a 5-year-old living permanently, with children aged 11 and 14 visiting on weekends (blended family).
Space Requirements on Ground Floor and Upper Floor
Ground floor: entrance vestibule (to prevent drafts reaching the dining or living room when the front door opens), living room (rather quiet area), kitchen, dining room (family area), utility/technical room, office/guest room and WC (possibly with shower).
Upper floor: master bedroom (with walk-in closet) and bathroom, 2 children’s bedrooms, second shower bathroom, storage space/room, office.
Office: Family use or home office?
We both work from home a lot.
Guests per Year
Do blended family children count as guests? Otherwise, few visits, 2-3 times per year.
Open or Closed Architecture
Mixed. We don’t want the children to have to walk through the living room when coming home in the evening to get to their rooms. Otherwise, it can be open.
Conservative or Modern Construction
Definitely very modern. We are quite “lazy.” We prefer everything built-in or wall-mounted to make cleaning easier. 🙂
Open Kitchen, Kitchen Island
Preferably an island and very straightforward design.
Number of Dining Seats
3 + 2, with occasional space for a longer table (for birthdays and similar events).
Fireplace
No.
Music / Stereo Wall
No, at least nothing that needs special consideration.
Balcony, Roof Terrace
No.
Garage, Carport
Yes, garage with storage space attached to the house and direct access to the house (if practical).
Utility Garden, Greenhouse
Maybe, but not a top priority.
Other Wishes / Special Features / Daily Routine, including reasons why certain things are included or excluded
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company.
What do you particularly like? Why?
It’s a first draft.
Entrance “from the courtyard” – the vestibule area seems quite small.
Little corridor space, which we actually like, but we’re concerned it might feel cramped or dark.
How would you position the house? Build as wide as possible across the plot or leave more distance to neighbors on the “living side”? We understand there aren’t many options to “do it better” with a small plot.
Our spatial wishes have been taken into account.
What do you not like? Why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
450,000€ without garage + land (self-build participation).
Personal price limit for the house including equipment:
550,000€.
Preferred heating technology:
Air/water or ground source heat pump?
If you have to give up anything, which details or extras?
- What you could give up:
Straight staircase.
Shower downstairs.
That strange “symmetrical” window arrangement.
- What you cannot give up:
Number of bedrooms, 2 office areas (does not necessarily require 2 completely separate rooms).
It is more important that the interior is nice and airy than that the windows align precisely on the outside.
Why has the design turned out the way it is? For example,
Standard design from the planner with a few wishes we expressed (courtyard entrance, garage position, room layout).
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
It feels somewhat unmodern and not very well thought through for us.
3 windows in the walk-in closet? Swap kitchen and living room? We wanted a kitchen with island and tall cabinets behind it. Corridor upstairs without windows?
As mentioned, it’s a first draft, and maybe the “collective knowledge” here can help us move forward. We haven’t had a really personal planning meeting yet.
Development Plan / Restrictions
There are no restrictions in our development plan that conflict with our wishes.
Typical requirements include a 3m (10 ft) setback from the property boundary and 5m (16 ft) clearance for the garage, with 2 parking spaces required; otherwise, everything is unrestricted.
The plot is just under 400m² (4,300 sq ft), location as shown in the pictures.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, Roof Type, Building Type
Modern / timeless style, no city villa 😎 . For cost and storage reasons, no flat roof either, so we have settled on a pitched roof with little or no overhang.
Basement, Floors
No basement, 2 full stories.
Number of Residents, Ages
We are 47 and 41 plus a 5-year-old living permanently, with children aged 11 and 14 visiting on weekends (blended family).
Space Requirements on Ground Floor and Upper Floor
Ground floor: entrance vestibule (to prevent drafts reaching the dining or living room when the front door opens), living room (rather quiet area), kitchen, dining room (family area), utility/technical room, office/guest room and WC (possibly with shower).
Upper floor: master bedroom (with walk-in closet) and bathroom, 2 children’s bedrooms, second shower bathroom, storage space/room, office.
Office: Family use or home office?
We both work from home a lot.
Guests per Year
Do blended family children count as guests? Otherwise, few visits, 2-3 times per year.
Open or Closed Architecture
Mixed. We don’t want the children to have to walk through the living room when coming home in the evening to get to their rooms. Otherwise, it can be open.
Conservative or Modern Construction
Definitely very modern. We are quite “lazy.” We prefer everything built-in or wall-mounted to make cleaning easier. 🙂
Open Kitchen, Kitchen Island
Preferably an island and very straightforward design.
Number of Dining Seats
3 + 2, with occasional space for a longer table (for birthdays and similar events).
Fireplace
No.
Music / Stereo Wall
No, at least nothing that needs special consideration.
Balcony, Roof Terrace
No.
Garage, Carport
Yes, garage with storage space attached to the house and direct access to the house (if practical).
Utility Garden, Greenhouse
Maybe, but not a top priority.
Other Wishes / Special Features / Daily Routine, including reasons why certain things are included or excluded
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company.
What do you particularly like? Why?
It’s a first draft.
Entrance “from the courtyard” – the vestibule area seems quite small.
Little corridor space, which we actually like, but we’re concerned it might feel cramped or dark.
How would you position the house? Build as wide as possible across the plot or leave more distance to neighbors on the “living side”? We understand there aren’t many options to “do it better” with a small plot.
Our spatial wishes have been taken into account.
What do you not like? Why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
450,000€ without garage + land (self-build participation).
Personal price limit for the house including equipment:
550,000€.
Preferred heating technology:
Air/water or ground source heat pump?
If you have to give up anything, which details or extras?
- What you could give up:
Straight staircase.
Shower downstairs.
That strange “symmetrical” window arrangement.
- What you cannot give up:
Number of bedrooms, 2 office areas (does not necessarily require 2 completely separate rooms).
It is more important that the interior is nice and airy than that the windows align precisely on the outside.
Why has the design turned out the way it is? For example,
Standard design from the planner with a few wishes we expressed (courtyard entrance, garage position, room layout).
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
It feels somewhat unmodern and not very well thought through for us.
3 windows in the walk-in closet? Swap kitchen and living room? We wanted a kitchen with island and tall cabinets behind it. Corridor upstairs without windows?
As mentioned, it’s a first draft, and maybe the “collective knowledge” here can help us move forward. We haven’t had a really personal planning meeting yet.
Klaustal schrieb:
Yes, sorry, we were on a private "different mission." That’s why we couldn’t continue. I just checked the forum briefly on my phone. Klaustal schrieb:
Is no one here sharing their opinion anymore, or is everyone on vacation? I think you yourself haven’t said anything about our efforts from late July/early August yet – not a word, no comment, no opinion… that’s probably still pending?
My opinion has hardly changed. I consider the guest toilet with a window facing the terrace a major design flaw and almost amusing. The front door located directly in the path of vehicles is too dangerous. The main rooms are only half-heartedly oriented towards the garden – the kitchen is quite far from the terrace.
Upstairs, the dark hallway is due to the number of rooms squeezed in there. The children’s bedroom right next to the master bedroom requires additional soundproofing. The large bathroom still feels cramped – in my opinion, the T-shaped layout is reversed. A walk-in closet without a window is not ideal. Three bathrooms for four people seem excessive. They all have to be cleaned, after all.
There is no real innovation visible in the design. If this is what you want, then this is what you will get.
Upstairs, the dark hallway is due to the number of rooms squeezed in there. The children’s bedroom right next to the master bedroom requires additional soundproofing. The large bathroom still feels cramped – in my opinion, the T-shaped layout is reversed. A walk-in closet without a window is not ideal. Three bathrooms for four people seem excessive. They all have to be cleaned, after all.
There is no real innovation visible in the design. If this is what you want, then this is what you will get.
ypg schrieb:
I believe you yourself haven’t said anything about our efforts at the end of July/beginning of August yet – no word, no comment, no opinion… is that still pending? What else should I comment on?
The narrow house is off the table.
The kitchen should stay at the front. This roughly results in what we have now.
K a t j a schrieb:
My opinion hasn’t changed much. I consider the guest WC with a window facing the terrace a major design mistake—almost even funny. The front door being directly in the driveway area is too dangerous. The main living spaces are only half-heartedly oriented toward the garden—the kitchen is quite far from the terrace.
Upstairs has a dark hallway, which is due to the number of rooms crammed in there.
The children’s room next to the bedroom needs additional soundproofing. The large bathroom still feels cramped—the T-layout is, in my opinion, reversed. A walk-in closet without a window is not ideal. I think three bathrooms for four people is excessive. They all need to be cleaned, after all.
There’s no real innovation visible in the design. You want it this way—then you’ll get it this way. The bathroom facing the terrace is our “mudroom” as already mentioned. We couldn’t come up with another solution for that.
We don’t consider our garage driveway to be a highway either. So no concerns about safety there. My old house had the same setup.
The second children’s room is rarely used, so noise shouldn’t be a problem (we think).
The bathroom layout will still be changed by swapping the shower and the toilet.
Yes, the upstairs will be tight because we wanted large children’s rooms and an office.
Would you recommend giving up the closet in the hallway?
Are there any suggestions for windows in the dining/kitchen area?
I find the design more successful than in post #22, but I still miss a response to the suggestions that Yvonne and Katja made for you.
I would rather clean muddy boots before entering the house.
Let the layout of the rooms guide you more than the façade. Primarily, it has to work for the residents, so the interior matters most.
As far as I recall, we discussed this most extensively with @tumaa https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/raumteiler-einseitig-oder-beidseitig.35614/.
You don’t need to double up on those. A dimpled membrane might be useful. Do you need a guarantee that their fill will remain stable? – However, I consider this leveling mostly unnecessary fuss.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
Klaustal schrieb:
- Should we just remove the shower downstairs? It’s mainly meant to freshen up the kids and me when we come in all muddy from outside.
I would rather clean muddy boots before entering the house.
Klaustal schrieb:
- We’re also not sure about the windows and their placement yet.
Let the layout of the rooms guide you more than the façade. Primarily, it has to work for the residents, so the interior matters most.
Klaustal schrieb:
- Should we include the partition wall between the living room and dining area or not?
As far as I recall, we discussed this most extensively with @tumaa https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/raumteiler-einseitig-oder-beidseitig.35614/.
Klaustal schrieb:
One more question incidentally.
All the neighbors have already installed L-shaped concrete blocks or something similar to level their plots. Can I simply use the "backside" of those (fill up to that point) or do I need to install my own L-shaped block (or similar) on my side?
You don’t need to double up on those. A dimpled membrane might be useful. Do you need a guarantee that their fill will remain stable? – However, I consider this leveling mostly unnecessary fuss.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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