ᐅ Single-family house floor plan ~170 m² – just at the very beginning
Created on: 7 Jul 2022 16:36
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Klaustal
Hello, let’s start with the list.
Development Plan / Restrictions
There are no restrictions in our development plan that conflict with our wishes.
Typical requirements include a 3m (10 ft) setback from the property boundary and 5m (16 ft) clearance for the garage, with 2 parking spaces required; otherwise, everything is unrestricted.
The plot is just under 400m² (4,300 sq ft), location as shown in the pictures.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, Roof Type, Building Type
Modern / timeless style, no city villa 😎 . For cost and storage reasons, no flat roof either, so we have settled on a pitched roof with little or no overhang.
Basement, Floors
No basement, 2 full stories.
Number of Residents, Ages
We are 47 and 41 plus a 5-year-old living permanently, with children aged 11 and 14 visiting on weekends (blended family).
Space Requirements on Ground Floor and Upper Floor
Ground floor: entrance vestibule (to prevent drafts reaching the dining or living room when the front door opens), living room (rather quiet area), kitchen, dining room (family area), utility/technical room, office/guest room and WC (possibly with shower).
Upper floor: master bedroom (with walk-in closet) and bathroom, 2 children’s bedrooms, second shower bathroom, storage space/room, office.
Office: Family use or home office?
We both work from home a lot.
Guests per Year
Do blended family children count as guests? Otherwise, few visits, 2-3 times per year.
Open or Closed Architecture
Mixed. We don’t want the children to have to walk through the living room when coming home in the evening to get to their rooms. Otherwise, it can be open.
Conservative or Modern Construction
Definitely very modern. We are quite “lazy.” We prefer everything built-in or wall-mounted to make cleaning easier. 🙂
Open Kitchen, Kitchen Island
Preferably an island and very straightforward design.
Number of Dining Seats
3 + 2, with occasional space for a longer table (for birthdays and similar events).
Fireplace
No.
Music / Stereo Wall
No, at least nothing that needs special consideration.
Balcony, Roof Terrace
No.
Garage, Carport
Yes, garage with storage space attached to the house and direct access to the house (if practical).
Utility Garden, Greenhouse
Maybe, but not a top priority.
Other Wishes / Special Features / Daily Routine, including reasons why certain things are included or excluded
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company.
What do you particularly like? Why?
It’s a first draft.
Entrance “from the courtyard” – the vestibule area seems quite small.
Little corridor space, which we actually like, but we’re concerned it might feel cramped or dark.
How would you position the house? Build as wide as possible across the plot or leave more distance to neighbors on the “living side”? We understand there aren’t many options to “do it better” with a small plot.
Our spatial wishes have been taken into account.
What do you not like? Why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
450,000€ without garage + land (self-build participation).
Personal price limit for the house including equipment:
550,000€.
Preferred heating technology:
Air/water or ground source heat pump?
If you have to give up anything, which details or extras?
- What you could give up:
Straight staircase.
Shower downstairs.
That strange “symmetrical” window arrangement.
- What you cannot give up:
Number of bedrooms, 2 office areas (does not necessarily require 2 completely separate rooms).
It is more important that the interior is nice and airy than that the windows align precisely on the outside.
Why has the design turned out the way it is? For example,
Standard design from the planner with a few wishes we expressed (courtyard entrance, garage position, room layout).
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
It feels somewhat unmodern and not very well thought through for us.
3 windows in the walk-in closet? Swap kitchen and living room? We wanted a kitchen with island and tall cabinets behind it. Corridor upstairs without windows?
As mentioned, it’s a first draft, and maybe the “collective knowledge” here can help us move forward. We haven’t had a really personal planning meeting yet.
Development Plan / Restrictions
There are no restrictions in our development plan that conflict with our wishes.
Typical requirements include a 3m (10 ft) setback from the property boundary and 5m (16 ft) clearance for the garage, with 2 parking spaces required; otherwise, everything is unrestricted.
The plot is just under 400m² (4,300 sq ft), location as shown in the pictures.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, Roof Type, Building Type
Modern / timeless style, no city villa 😎 . For cost and storage reasons, no flat roof either, so we have settled on a pitched roof with little or no overhang.
Basement, Floors
No basement, 2 full stories.
Number of Residents, Ages
We are 47 and 41 plus a 5-year-old living permanently, with children aged 11 and 14 visiting on weekends (blended family).
Space Requirements on Ground Floor and Upper Floor
Ground floor: entrance vestibule (to prevent drafts reaching the dining or living room when the front door opens), living room (rather quiet area), kitchen, dining room (family area), utility/technical room, office/guest room and WC (possibly with shower).
Upper floor: master bedroom (with walk-in closet) and bathroom, 2 children’s bedrooms, second shower bathroom, storage space/room, office.
Office: Family use or home office?
We both work from home a lot.
Guests per Year
Do blended family children count as guests? Otherwise, few visits, 2-3 times per year.
Open or Closed Architecture
Mixed. We don’t want the children to have to walk through the living room when coming home in the evening to get to their rooms. Otherwise, it can be open.
Conservative or Modern Construction
Definitely very modern. We are quite “lazy.” We prefer everything built-in or wall-mounted to make cleaning easier. 🙂
Open Kitchen, Kitchen Island
Preferably an island and very straightforward design.
Number of Dining Seats
3 + 2, with occasional space for a longer table (for birthdays and similar events).
Fireplace
No.
Music / Stereo Wall
No, at least nothing that needs special consideration.
Balcony, Roof Terrace
No.
Garage, Carport
Yes, garage with storage space attached to the house and direct access to the house (if practical).
Utility Garden, Greenhouse
Maybe, but not a top priority.
Other Wishes / Special Features / Daily Routine, including reasons why certain things are included or excluded
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company.
What do you particularly like? Why?
It’s a first draft.
Entrance “from the courtyard” – the vestibule area seems quite small.
Little corridor space, which we actually like, but we’re concerned it might feel cramped or dark.
How would you position the house? Build as wide as possible across the plot or leave more distance to neighbors on the “living side”? We understand there aren’t many options to “do it better” with a small plot.
Our spatial wishes have been taken into account.
What do you not like? Why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
450,000€ without garage + land (self-build participation).
Personal price limit for the house including equipment:
550,000€.
Preferred heating technology:
Air/water or ground source heat pump?
If you have to give up anything, which details or extras?
- What you could give up:
Straight staircase.
Shower downstairs.
That strange “symmetrical” window arrangement.
- What you cannot give up:
Number of bedrooms, 2 office areas (does not necessarily require 2 completely separate rooms).
It is more important that the interior is nice and airy than that the windows align precisely on the outside.
Why has the design turned out the way it is? For example,
Standard design from the planner with a few wishes we expressed (courtyard entrance, garage position, room layout).
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
It feels somewhat unmodern and not very well thought through for us.
3 windows in the walk-in closet? Swap kitchen and living room? We wanted a kitchen with island and tall cabinets behind it. Corridor upstairs without windows?
As mentioned, it’s a first draft, and maybe the “collective knowledge” here can help us move forward. We haven’t had a really personal planning meeting yet.
Klaustal schrieb:
I consider this as "constructive criticism".Well then, why don’t you give some back as well:Klaustal schrieb:
The kitchen has been moved forward because we no longer want the “living corridor” (kitchen, dining area, living room all in one line). Now we have space. Also, having a view towards the street is desirable. The children are often outside while cooking. The new street has virtually no traffic. So your option is off the table too, @K a t j a.That is something at least, but compared to the effort by the ladies, it is still rather stingy / uncommunicative, Yvonne hasn’t been considered here at all.Klaustal schrieb:
Maybe there will be some feedback on my questions from post #60.I answered those in detail in post #66.Klaustal schrieb:
Construction company = prefabricated house supplierThe company you mentioned in your private message would not be a prefabricated house supplier (???)https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
K a t j a schrieb:
To give the guest toilet a window, there’s only a carport for the car here. A garage is annoying anyway due to the width and in general. If the original poster is building in RLP, I’m afraid the 5m (16 feet) setback from the street also applies to the carport :-(
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
11ant schrieb:
If the original poster is building in Rhineland-Palatinate, I’m afraid the 5m (16 feet) setback from the road also applies to the carport :-(That is already included. The cars are simply parked on designated parking spaces.11ant schrieb:
If the original poster is building in Rhineland-Palatinate, I’m afraid the 5m (16 feet) setback from the street also applies to the carport :-(Carports are allowed at 3m (10 feet). With some tricks, it’s apparently possible to place a garage at 3m (10 feet) as well. There are at least a few on the street. (I think this is possible with an electric gate)ypg schrieb:
This is not a competition – there is no winner here.That’s not my point either. Text can always be interpreted in different ways.
Especially when it seems you are very particular about wording here.
Again, I’m very grateful for the input you provide. It definitely helps me think things over.
Yes, the “preparing” is unrealistic. You don’t have a huge garden where after years of gardening you come inside covered in mud. Even three showers is one too many. What’s unrealistic about that? As I said, we spend a lot of time outdoors, and I don’t mean just in the small yard. We cycle in all kinds of weather, and rarely on the street. We discussed three showers at length. It’s staying. Maybe we don’t use it much, but it doesn’t cost a fortune either. (OK, I know the 2 or 3 square meters (20 or 30 square feet) of living space)
Klaustal wrote:
Are we adding a partition wall between the living room and dining area or not?
No, maybe just as drywall so it can be removed again.We won’t put it in. Also discussed at length.
K a t j a schrieb:
Ok, a different standard than a sketch. You’ll have to come up with the windows and various fixtures yourself. Otherwise, the wear and tear for the original poster would be too high. 😉
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It would be nice if there aren’t comments like “Help, a bay window is not possible.” If necessary, it can be left out. These are just food for thought to refine it yourself.
To give the guest bathroom a window, there is only a carport for the car here. A garage is annoying anyway due to the width and in general. Thanks K a t j a.
We initially started out with a design like this.
Then we insisted on having the entrance from the side. You’re somewhat familiar with that story.
The wish for the entrance on the side came from me, as I liked it and want it that way.
As always, everything has its pros and cons. It doesn’t make things easier on the small plot.
Because I also respect my partner’s wish for the kitchen to face the front. Building a house is a huge compromise, really just like any project at work.
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