ᐅ Positioning the house, garage, or carport on the property
Created on: 14 Aug 2018 08:29
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Grantlhaua
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 883m² (9500 sq ft)
Slope: gentle slope, about 1m (3.3 ft) rise over 10m (33 ft)
Building window, building line and boundary: standard
Edge construction: possible for garage
Number of parking spaces: 2 in the garage
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: modern
Orientation: south
Maximum heights/limits: based on the existing terrain according to the district office
Client Requirements
The floor plan of the house is fixed, but it will be completely mirrored from west to east
House Design
Designed by:
- Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? The front door located between the garage and the house
What do you dislike? Why?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: 420,000 (our estimate about 500,000 all in)
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 500,000
Preferred heating system: air-source heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details or additions
- can you give up: nothing
- cannot give up: garage, workshop
What is the most important fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The floor plan is basically fixed, but for noise (street) and privacy reasons, we want to mirror the whole house so the garage, front door, bay window, house, and terrace are positioned from west to east.
Unfortunately, this has sparked many discussions because the plot was gifted to us by family whose house behind is slightly elevated (about 3m (10 ft), on the north side). They fear their house will no longer be visible from the south if we move the garage to within 2–3m (6.5–10 ft) of the western boundary. However, if we move it back 6–7m (20–23 ft) to where the current house corner is, there is about 80m² (860 sq ft) of "wasted space" between the boundary, street, driveway, and garage. Do you have any ideas on how to make use of this space or avoid it altogether without compromising the rest of the design?
The images still show the old version, as we will only redesign once we find a solution...
Thank you very much!
Plot size: 883m² (9500 sq ft)
Slope: gentle slope, about 1m (3.3 ft) rise over 10m (33 ft)
Building window, building line and boundary: standard
Edge construction: possible for garage
Number of parking spaces: 2 in the garage
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: modern
Orientation: south
Maximum heights/limits: based on the existing terrain according to the district office
Client Requirements
The floor plan of the house is fixed, but it will be completely mirrored from west to east
House Design
Designed by:
- Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? The front door located between the garage and the house
What do you dislike? Why?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: 420,000 (our estimate about 500,000 all in)
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 500,000
Preferred heating system: air-source heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details or additions
- can you give up: nothing
- cannot give up: garage, workshop
What is the most important fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The floor plan is basically fixed, but for noise (street) and privacy reasons, we want to mirror the whole house so the garage, front door, bay window, house, and terrace are positioned from west to east.
Unfortunately, this has sparked many discussions because the plot was gifted to us by family whose house behind is slightly elevated (about 3m (10 ft), on the north side). They fear their house will no longer be visible from the south if we move the garage to within 2–3m (6.5–10 ft) of the western boundary. However, if we move it back 6–7m (20–23 ft) to where the current house corner is, there is about 80m² (860 sq ft) of "wasted space" between the boundary, street, driveway, and garage. Do you have any ideas on how to make use of this space or avoid it altogether without compromising the rest of the design?
The images still show the old version, as we will only redesign once we find a solution...
Thank you very much!
kaho674 schrieb:
I think in this case the garage is still located to the north of the house, right? Doesn’t it rather shift from northeast to northwest when viewed from the house?Yes, it is slightly set back to the rear (north).
But as it is planned now, you have some windows on the west side.
But to each their own.
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Grantlhaua21 Aug 2018 07:51ypg schrieb:
I would never give up the west-facing sun inside the house, especially in the living or dining room!But then, logically, you wouldn’t get any morning sunlight from the east, right? I actually don’t need sun in the living room since it’s mainly used for watching TV (our blinds are usually closed), but it’s obviously not ideal for the dining room. On the other hand, I do get morning sunlight during breakfast, which I don’t mind, especially since the setting sun in the west is mostly blocked by some large trees across the street.
If we rotated the plan, the large kitchen window, which is 2.50 meters (8 feet 2 inches) wide, and the band of windows in the bay would face west. That would bring a lot of natural light into the kitchen in the evenings while cooking. Of course, ideally the garage would be on the north side—we have also considered that. But that would bring the building line within 3 meters (10 feet) of the street, which is rather less than ideal. You just have to accept some compromises unless you have a plot of about 2000 square meters (0.5 acres).
11ant schrieb:
And if it turns out not to be so smart to flip the layout 1:1, you’ll have to check the downpipe positions again from scratch for the rearranged rooms… That’s clear.
11ant schrieb:
Without scrolling through the entire thread history, I’d assume, as lawyers say, that the ‘basis of the contract has fallen away’ for all discussion points referring to the cardinal directions. What do you mean by that?
Grantlhaua schrieb:
In the living room, I don’t really need sunlight since it’s only used for watching TV (our blinds are always closed at the moment) Then you might as well skip the windows.
No, seriously. Those are pointless excuses. If the garage has to be moved to the other side, all the rooms will need to be redesigned. Or you ignore the garage and just build a carport somewhere else. It doesn’t have to be attached to the house.
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Grantlhaua21 Aug 2018 08:14kaho674 schrieb:
Well, then you might as well skip the windows.
No, seriously. Those are just ridiculous excuses.No, actually the pleated blinds in our living room have not been raised more than five times in the three years we’ve lived here. That’s why the living room is deliberately oriented to the north, to give the kitchen and dining area the south-facing side, where natural light is obviously much more important than in the living room. If I mirror the rooms, do I really have to redesign everything? The kitchen and dining room remain south-facing, and whether the bedroom upstairs is in the northeast or northwest doesn’t really matter to me personally. The children’s rooms are also oriented one to the southeast and one to the southwest, so the only difference is that their positions just swap.
I would never consider installing floor-to-ceiling elements in the living room—especially if, like in show homes, you then place the sofa in front of them.
In Bavaria, you don’t build without a garage :P Seriously though, I’m personally not a fan of carports, at least not as the sole option. For me, a carport can only be a supplement to a garage. For example, where would I keep my bicycles, store my tools, or set up my workbench?
We are only building with a carport (as a replacement for the old garage) and parking spaces. And that’s in Bavaria.
No, seriously, plan your garage in a way that suits you best, but start by building a carport that will satisfy even the picky relatives. After they’ve passed away, you can then build the garage exactly as you want. Meanwhile, you’ll realize that a carport has its advantages.
We are also building on my parents’ property, and I’m very familiar with the discussions that come with it. I also know the situation where you have to be grateful just to have a plot of land to build on because there are none left on the market. So sometimes you have to swallow a few compromises. That’s why I recommend an interim carport.
No, seriously, plan your garage in a way that suits you best, but start by building a carport that will satisfy even the picky relatives. After they’ve passed away, you can then build the garage exactly as you want. Meanwhile, you’ll realize that a carport has its advantages.
We are also building on my parents’ property, and I’m very familiar with the discussions that come with it. I also know the situation where you have to be grateful just to have a plot of land to build on because there are none left on the market. So sometimes you have to swallow a few compromises. That’s why I recommend an interim carport.
So all rooms are supposed to be mirrored.
Living room then in the northeast (could it get any worse?), and the terrace shifts to the southeast, and so on. Honestly, who are you trying to convince here? Go ahead if it works so well for you. But we certainly won’t tell you that this is a good solution, because it isn’t.
Living room then in the northeast (could it get any worse?), and the terrace shifts to the southeast, and so on. Honestly, who are you trying to convince here? Go ahead if it works so well for you. But we certainly won’t tell you that this is a good solution, because it isn’t.
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