ᐅ The floor plan "HOUSE FOR TWO" covers approximately 150 sqm and is introduced here.
Created on: 3 Jul 2020 13:23
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pagoni2020
So – now I’m presenting our “House Project for Two” expecting your honest and maybe harsh feedback. Don’t hold back, as I can only benefit from it.
The building permit / planning permission application is currently being submitted, and preliminary information suggests it should be approved. We deliberately avoided too many deviations from the very old development plan.
We like a modern, minimalist architectural style. The floor plan is a mix of our own living habits, our existing furniture including the kitchen, and the budget, since at this stage of life we don’t want to take on risky debt.
Our current condominium is very stylish and was just recently customized by ourselves, but life changes; besides, we want to be able to have a small fire in our own garden again.
We are now building with a general contractor (GC) who has a good reputation and has already allowed us to change many things without stress – so far. Ideally, we would have built with an independent architect or our friend who is an interior architect, which would have given us more freedom in choosing trades, but this time we want to focus more on details and avoid the running around that happened the first time, 30 years ago. No, this time I won’t be digging foundations or pouring the basement myself until my family doesn’t recognize me anymore.
Whether it will be a garage, carport, or parking space depends on the costs, as does the attached balcony, which would then be a so-called standing balcony; initially, it just needs to be approved. There will also be a larger garden house with an outdoor sauna.
The plot is quite large and has a nice view of greenery. Unfortunately, only to the north, about 500 m (1600 ft) away and at a lower level, there is a beautiful lake. For this reason alone, we decided not to build a bungalow, since having a lake view and not using it was out of the question (hence the “emergency balcony” at the bedroom). Originally, a house with a bend was planned, but it always looked ugly in the end.
HOUSE FOR TWO
Plot size: 1400 sqm (15,000 sq ft)
Slope: No
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof type: Gable roof
Architectural style: modern-minimalist
Client requirements
Style, roof type, building type: clean lines
Basement, floors: no basement
Number of occupants, age: 2 (one of them still works a bit more…)
Guest stays per year: quite often, alternating
Conservative or modern construction: modern, open plan
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes
Number of dining seats: 4
Fireplace: yes/no/undecided, possibly also gas fireplace
Balcony, roof terrace: possibly a balcony at the bedroom for lake view
Garage, carport: yes, depending on price
Additional wishes, etc.:
Separate guest area, possibly as a bedroom in old age, then guests upstairs
Custom furniture and kitchen integrated
Separate TV area from the gallery, next to it a separate relaxation area with recliner
Kitchen with 120 cm (47 inch) side-by-side refrigerator or 70 cm (28 inch) refrigerator by the window side
Monolithic Rock XL1 wood stove available, chimney planned outside for lower costs, appearance, and less space inside
Ground floor window areas separated by masonry walls due to chimney, possibly refrigerator placement but especially due to manufacturer’s limited width (according to GC)
Original idea was continuous window surfaces up to the eaves in living/dining area, now separated at ceiling height by masonry strip
Some parts in the plan/floor plan not labeled correctly yet (GC design implementation)
House design, who designed it: by the clients + partial coordination with interior architect, currently executed by a builder’s planner
What do you like most and why?
Simple architectural style, gallery, spacious window surfaces, external blinds, open layout
What don’t you like and why? I’m sure I’ll read about it here
Estimated price according to architect/planner: -
Features: The goal is to invest selectively and sensibly but consistently omit unnecessary, cost-driving frills (in my opinion)
Preferred heating system: undecided, unfortunately no gas connection available
If you had to skip something, which details or extensions could you do without? Maybe the fireplace… I’m still unsure about the location, I would like a built-in gas fireplace under the stairs, but only for that would we get a liquefied gas tank?
Why is the design the way it is? For example:
Own life circumstances, existing furniture, individual living habits
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
I welcome direct and constructive assessments. The building shape and location of carport/garage are fixed. The focus of questions is on layout details and usage/design options.
There will be a glass roof or slatted shading in front of the kitchen area.
The plot is almost flat, and the outdoor area will be simple and user-friendly, with a larger garden house including outdoor sauna, storage for gadgets, tools, etc.
The building permit / planning permission application is currently being submitted, and preliminary information suggests it should be approved. We deliberately avoided too many deviations from the very old development plan.
We like a modern, minimalist architectural style. The floor plan is a mix of our own living habits, our existing furniture including the kitchen, and the budget, since at this stage of life we don’t want to take on risky debt.
Our current condominium is very stylish and was just recently customized by ourselves, but life changes; besides, we want to be able to have a small fire in our own garden again.
We are now building with a general contractor (GC) who has a good reputation and has already allowed us to change many things without stress – so far. Ideally, we would have built with an independent architect or our friend who is an interior architect, which would have given us more freedom in choosing trades, but this time we want to focus more on details and avoid the running around that happened the first time, 30 years ago. No, this time I won’t be digging foundations or pouring the basement myself until my family doesn’t recognize me anymore.
Whether it will be a garage, carport, or parking space depends on the costs, as does the attached balcony, which would then be a so-called standing balcony; initially, it just needs to be approved. There will also be a larger garden house with an outdoor sauna.
The plot is quite large and has a nice view of greenery. Unfortunately, only to the north, about 500 m (1600 ft) away and at a lower level, there is a beautiful lake. For this reason alone, we decided not to build a bungalow, since having a lake view and not using it was out of the question (hence the “emergency balcony” at the bedroom). Originally, a house with a bend was planned, but it always looked ugly in the end.
HOUSE FOR TWO
Plot size: 1400 sqm (15,000 sq ft)
Slope: No
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof type: Gable roof
Architectural style: modern-minimalist
Client requirements
Style, roof type, building type: clean lines
Basement, floors: no basement
Number of occupants, age: 2 (one of them still works a bit more…)
Guest stays per year: quite often, alternating
Conservative or modern construction: modern, open plan
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes
Number of dining seats: 4
Fireplace: yes/no/undecided, possibly also gas fireplace
Balcony, roof terrace: possibly a balcony at the bedroom for lake view
Garage, carport: yes, depending on price
Additional wishes, etc.:
Separate guest area, possibly as a bedroom in old age, then guests upstairs
Custom furniture and kitchen integrated
Separate TV area from the gallery, next to it a separate relaxation area with recliner
Kitchen with 120 cm (47 inch) side-by-side refrigerator or 70 cm (28 inch) refrigerator by the window side
Monolithic Rock XL1 wood stove available, chimney planned outside for lower costs, appearance, and less space inside
Ground floor window areas separated by masonry walls due to chimney, possibly refrigerator placement but especially due to manufacturer’s limited width (according to GC)
Original idea was continuous window surfaces up to the eaves in living/dining area, now separated at ceiling height by masonry strip
Some parts in the plan/floor plan not labeled correctly yet (GC design implementation)
House design, who designed it: by the clients + partial coordination with interior architect, currently executed by a builder’s planner
What do you like most and why?
Simple architectural style, gallery, spacious window surfaces, external blinds, open layout
What don’t you like and why? I’m sure I’ll read about it here
Estimated price according to architect/planner: -
Features: The goal is to invest selectively and sensibly but consistently omit unnecessary, cost-driving frills (in my opinion)
Preferred heating system: undecided, unfortunately no gas connection available
If you had to skip something, which details or extensions could you do without? Maybe the fireplace… I’m still unsure about the location, I would like a built-in gas fireplace under the stairs, but only for that would we get a liquefied gas tank?
Why is the design the way it is? For example:
Own life circumstances, existing furniture, individual living habits
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
I welcome direct and constructive assessments. The building shape and location of carport/garage are fixed. The focus of questions is on layout details and usage/design options.
There will be a glass roof or slatted shading in front of the kitchen area.
The plot is almost flat, and the outdoor area will be simple and user-friendly, with a larger garden house including outdoor sauna, storage for gadgets, tools, etc.
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pagoni20202 Aug 2020 01:15I just noticed that I labeled EG and OF the wrong way around; I’ll correct that right away.
Thanks, it will be discussed!
Nida35a schrieb:Yeah, I’m passing that critique directly on to the planner at the house—
For my living and house logic, you have taken the wrong direction.
Nida35a schrieb:...that’s the price we accept for the lake view. Our large living room here is not used very often; we use the smaller living room more. In the new house, that would be by the fireplace on the ground floor. The guest is always family, so that’s okay for us; we had previously planned access from the hallway but decided consciously on this arrangement.
Living on two floors
- Guest right next to the living area and has to go through it to reach the bathroom
Nida35a schrieb:...true, it’s not ideal, but it’s actually more to the west, and the bathroom is in the southern corner.
Bedroom in the south
Nida35a schrieb:No, more like 20 days. That’s more my room for TV, music, etc.; but it’s not actually in the south???
- Guest in the south, or do you have guests 300 days a year?
Nida35a schrieb:...honestly, that worries me a bit too, which is why I want to get clear feedback; the fax hasn’t been sent yet—
The large cool gallery is gone, and with it the house’s character and spatial effect.
Thanks, it will be discussed!
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pagoni20202 Aug 2020 01:2011ant schrieb:
No, you should rather do a clean relaunch; as it is, it’s neither fish nor fowl: 1. either you can afford the airspace, or you’re missing about three-quarters of a meter (2.5 feet) to avoid this half-baked idea of “building over two steps in the stair axis but then squeezing in the bedroom-bath suite by the stairs for the third step”; 2. the entrance layout for the utility room, with the door pushed against the wall and the walkway angled forward into the kitchen line, is more painful than clever. And somehow, the "charm" of the building form as a fake conversion of a small industrial hall isn’t quite the dream for my tired feet. Turn down the reduction sauce a bit. Structurally, this strikes me as too much of a pseudo-skeleton construction. At that point, it hardly matters anymore that I find the elevations too dark, with black to dark gray tones making them unreadable enough that I can’t analyze them in detail.…what does this mean in plain language for casual users like us?P
pagoni20202 Aug 2020 01:27now documents for ground floor and upper floor correctly named.....
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hampshire2 Aug 2020 10:07Windows Facing the Lake:
We have folding glass walls from Solarlux facing the valley, with a balcony about 1 meter (3 feet) wide in front serving as a fall protection. The folding walls open outward, so nothing ever obstructs the interior space. This solution can provide a wonderful view of the lake.
Guest:
Instead of having the guest stay inside the main house, they can be accommodated in a separate "guest house." For example, a "shepherd’s wagon" can be installed without a building permit / planning permission. Depending on the design and quality, these start at around 5000 euros (prices can go up to those of a tiny house on wheels). The guest receives a key for the toilet on the ground floor. This is supplemented by a shower (which I usually wouldn’t recommend) — and that works well.
We have folding glass walls from Solarlux facing the valley, with a balcony about 1 meter (3 feet) wide in front serving as a fall protection. The folding walls open outward, so nothing ever obstructs the interior space. This solution can provide a wonderful view of the lake.
Guest:
Instead of having the guest stay inside the main house, they can be accommodated in a separate "guest house." For example, a "shepherd’s wagon" can be installed without a building permit / planning permission. Depending on the design and quality, these start at around 5000 euros (prices can go up to those of a tiny house on wheels). The guest receives a key for the toilet on the ground floor. This is supplemented by a shower (which I usually wouldn’t recommend) — and that works well.
pagoni2020 schrieb:
now name the documents for the ground floor and first floor correctlyIs this now the preliminary or final planning?
I have to admit that I stopped following the thread at some point.
Nonetheless, I have to say: it doesn’t make any sense to me.
Isn't the staircase too short?
Passing by a furnished narrow front from the kitchen to the dining area just to get to the dining area? Chill area located in a double circulation zone (staircase and the mentioned dining area).
Guests also have to walk past there... crossing the whole house to reach the toilet.
Kitchen checked off to make the utility room accessible...
The bathtub and shower, as placed, barely leave space for someone very slim to get to the toilet (note the bathroom width of 2.20 m (7 feet 3 inches) and a bathtub measuring 180 x 80 cm (71 x 31 inches)).
If I am misinterpreting all this, then sorry.
But these would all be points to change if this is about a new build.
@pagoni2020
I think you have now planned extensively and found a solution that works for you, but it still falls short in the areas mentioned—at least some fine-tuning is needed. We made many changes from this planning stage up to the point when we poured the foundation slab.
Try testing your basic requirements now—can this floor plan really meet all of them?
My suggestion would be bedrooms facing northeast,
a fireplace, lounge, and TV room facing southwest (cooler, fireplace, evening sun),
and a living room centrally located with the dining area and kitchen.
How high are the windows up on the side—are they about 1.2m (4 feet) above the floor?
I think you have now planned extensively and found a solution that works for you, but it still falls short in the areas mentioned—at least some fine-tuning is needed. We made many changes from this planning stage up to the point when we poured the foundation slab.
Try testing your basic requirements now—can this floor plan really meet all of them?
My suggestion would be bedrooms facing northeast,
a fireplace, lounge, and TV room facing southwest (cooler, fireplace, evening sun),
and a living room centrally located with the dining area and kitchen.
How high are the windows up on the side—are they about 1.2m (4 feet) above the floor?
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