Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 327 m² (3,526 ft²)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.2
Floor area ratio: 0.3
Building window, building line, and building boundary
§34 - 3 m (10 feet) setback, etc.
Edge development: Not relevant to the question
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: Gable
Architectural style: Modern
Orientation
Maximum heights/limits
Other requirements
The house itself is determined by the developer and therefore cannot be influenced in terms of dimensions, shape, and orientation (see floor plans). The focus is solely on the internal floor plans, layout, and optimal use of space.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Set by developer, as above
Basement, floors
No basement, 2 floors with converted attic
Number of occupants, age
Current: 2 adults, one child (8 years), two more children planned
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Square meters predetermined by the building (52.44 m² (565 ft²) gross internal floor area)
Office: Home office?
Overnight guests per year: 8
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen: Yes, island only if not too cramped
Number of dining places: 6
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: home cinema
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: no
Utility garden, greenhouse: later, not part of the question
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine:
We still need some storage space somewhere, as there is no basement.
Extra shower bathroom, because with 5 people in the morning it would otherwise get too congested, and also for guests.
Partner dislikes “slanted” room doors, so rooms should always be accessible at right angles (entry to kitchen/living room is an exception (but no door installed there either)).
House Design
Planner:
- Do-it-yourself based on a plan from the builder
What do you particularly like? Why?
6 rooms included, extra shower bathroom included, managed to get some storage space.
What do you dislike? Why?
Narrow bedroom, very small utility room (must be at least 5 m² (54 ft²) according to the builder), one room with many corners in the attic.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
300,000
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
330,000 (all in, excluding exterior works and additional costs)
Preferred heating technology:
Air source heat pump
If you had to give up, on which details/extensions
- could you give up:
Storage room (then maybe as a shed?)
- cannot give up:
Second shower bathroom, separate office
Why is the design the way it is? For example
Standard design by planner?
Which wishes were implemented by the architect?
A mix of many examples from various magazines...
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Self-modified design proposal from the builder. Originally had only 4 rooms.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Is this floor plan even possible?
Have we forgotten something? Can it be made nicer somehow? According to the builder, the staircase can be smaller, but the space must probably be allocated to the utility room (which the builder says is too small).
We are particularly concerned about the lack of storage space (no basement, no attic).
Where do you store your stuff then (not bulky waste, but items you do not need all year round: inflatable boat and air mattress, Christmas tree, winter jackets, etc.)?
Location plan will follow.
Thanks and regards
Tolentino
Plot size: 327 m² (3,526 ft²)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.2
Floor area ratio: 0.3
Building window, building line, and building boundary
§34 - 3 m (10 feet) setback, etc.
Edge development: Not relevant to the question
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: Gable
Architectural style: Modern
Orientation
Maximum heights/limits
Other requirements
The house itself is determined by the developer and therefore cannot be influenced in terms of dimensions, shape, and orientation (see floor plans). The focus is solely on the internal floor plans, layout, and optimal use of space.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Set by developer, as above
Basement, floors
No basement, 2 floors with converted attic
Number of occupants, age
Current: 2 adults, one child (8 years), two more children planned
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Square meters predetermined by the building (52.44 m² (565 ft²) gross internal floor area)
Office: Home office?
Overnight guests per year: 8
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen: Yes, island only if not too cramped
Number of dining places: 6
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: home cinema
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: no
Utility garden, greenhouse: later, not part of the question
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine:
We still need some storage space somewhere, as there is no basement.
Extra shower bathroom, because with 5 people in the morning it would otherwise get too congested, and also for guests.
Partner dislikes “slanted” room doors, so rooms should always be accessible at right angles (entry to kitchen/living room is an exception (but no door installed there either)).
House Design
Planner:
- Do-it-yourself based on a plan from the builder
What do you particularly like? Why?
6 rooms included, extra shower bathroom included, managed to get some storage space.
What do you dislike? Why?
Narrow bedroom, very small utility room (must be at least 5 m² (54 ft²) according to the builder), one room with many corners in the attic.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
300,000
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
330,000 (all in, excluding exterior works and additional costs)
Preferred heating technology:
Air source heat pump
If you had to give up, on which details/extensions
- could you give up:
Storage room (then maybe as a shed?)
- cannot give up:
Second shower bathroom, separate office
Why is the design the way it is? For example
Standard design by planner?
Which wishes were implemented by the architect?
A mix of many examples from various magazines...
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Self-modified design proposal from the builder. Originally had only 4 rooms.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Is this floor plan even possible?
Have we forgotten something? Can it be made nicer somehow? According to the builder, the staircase can be smaller, but the space must probably be allocated to the utility room (which the builder says is too small).
We are particularly concerned about the lack of storage space (no basement, no attic).
Where do you store your stuff then (not bulky waste, but items you do not need all year round: inflatable boat and air mattress, Christmas tree, winter jackets, etc.)?
Location plan will follow.
Thanks and regards
Tolentino
And by the way... there is already one child who is eight years old. Initially, you plan for two more... but by the time they actually arrive, the oldest one is at least 11 years old... and the period when you truly live with three children in the house is quite limited. Perhaps it’s better to let go of the idea that each child absolutely needs their own separate room – one for the oldest, and at first, one for the younger ones who can share a room... it’s just like that for a few years, and when the oldest child becomes independent, it will work out again.
"Make the most of now"
"Make the most of now"
Well, family planning shouldn’t necessarily be tied to house planning.
Child 1 is already a bit older. The real question is how many years 3 children will actually live in the house. For a transition period, can you do without a home office for 1-2 years? It’s possible at the moment.
As someone who is absolutely not a fan of basements, I’m bringing this up again.
Try designing a ground floor without that small utility room where a 6-pack of beer no longer fits, and plan the upper floor with one less room.
The home office can still be moved downstairs when there are 3 children, or the oldest child might want some quiet and be happy with a light well.
Tools, inflatable boat, decorations, clothing, etc. can be stored there.
Laundry, pantry, storage room.
It’s true with small houses. I see it with my sister. Many terraced houses have a size of 80 - 100 sqm (860 - 1,076 sq ft), usually with a garden under 200 sqm (2,153 sq ft). As a trade-off, there are often shared facilities (laundry room next to the underground parking, communal green spaces). Semi-detached houses are somewhat larger, but more expensive.
Child 1 is already a bit older. The real question is how many years 3 children will actually live in the house. For a transition period, can you do without a home office for 1-2 years? It’s possible at the moment.
As someone who is absolutely not a fan of basements, I’m bringing this up again.
Try designing a ground floor without that small utility room where a 6-pack of beer no longer fits, and plan the upper floor with one less room.
The home office can still be moved downstairs when there are 3 children, or the oldest child might want some quiet and be happy with a light well.
Tools, inflatable boat, decorations, clothing, etc. can be stored there.
Laundry, pantry, storage room.
It’s true with small houses. I see it with my sister. Many terraced houses have a size of 80 - 100 sqm (860 - 1,076 sq ft), usually with a garden under 200 sqm (2,153 sq ft). As a trade-off, there are often shared facilities (laundry room next to the underground parking, communal green spaces). Semi-detached houses are somewhat larger, but more expensive.
Altai schrieb:
You can tell that to my colleague... House built for two children, with a study and guest room, and voilà... now there are four... The chance for the OP gets even smaller... :P
@Altai & @haydee: You do seem to agree with my point, or at least you’re not completely trying to dissuade me, but I would still disagree with the idea that “the older child will probably move out soon after the second one arrives.” That’s definitely not an automatic outcome.
From my past experience, I know many examples of kids aged 25 or even older still living at home. Especially those whose parents live in Berlin. It’s practical during university, since you don’t have much money and can stay at home with a “hotel map.” In Berlin, it’s not easy to just rent a shared apartment room when a 15 cm² (160 ft²) room costs 500 EUR.
With a BaföG allowance of maybe 600 EUR max?
Sometimes I even think: just move out. But it’s not much better in the suburbs. You might save about 100 EUR per m² (9.3 sq ft) on the land price, but with three children you end up with 600 EUR per month in childcare costs plus around 100 EUR per month in commuting costs (just the daily trips to work and school).
Not to mention the longer travel times (though that’s not always the case, sometimes the regional train connections are very good).
Anyway, thanks again to everyone who has helped here, and I’ll update when there’s more to share—or maybe not.
From my past experience, I know many examples of kids aged 25 or even older still living at home. Especially those whose parents live in Berlin. It’s practical during university, since you don’t have much money and can stay at home with a “hotel map.” In Berlin, it’s not easy to just rent a shared apartment room when a 15 cm² (160 ft²) room costs 500 EUR.
With a BaföG allowance of maybe 600 EUR max?
Sometimes I even think: just move out. But it’s not much better in the suburbs. You might save about 100 EUR per m² (9.3 sq ft) on the land price, but with three children you end up with 600 EUR per month in childcare costs plus around 100 EUR per month in commuting costs (just the daily trips to work and school).
Not to mention the longer travel times (though that’s not always the case, sometimes the regional train connections are very good).
Anyway, thanks again to everyone who has helped here, and I’ll update when there’s more to share—or maybe not.
kaho674 schrieb:
I don’t think the semi-detached house option is fundamentally wrong, just the dimensions are simply too small in this particular case. Does the builder maybe build larger elsewhere? Yes, of course, but I don’t want to live there. Well, maybe something will still change.
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