ᐅ Room Layout on the Ground Floor (Renovation of an Older Building)
Created on: 17 Jun 2019 15:33
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Niloa
Hello everyone,
in this thread https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/bitte-Meinungen-zum-Altbau-Grundriss.30321/ I already presented our project and asked for opinions. We are still working on finding the best floor plan for the ground floor. Since there have been some changes in the previous planning and we have become more flexible, I have started a new topic. To avoid any questions about this, here is the questionnaire.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 1141m2 (12,280 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio, Floor area ratio, building envelope, building line and boundary, edge development does not matter, as the building already exists
Number of parking spaces there are single garages on the left and right sides of the house; from the right garage you can access the backyard and then enter the kitchen through the side door
Number of floors basement, ground floor, attic
Roof type gable roof east-west
Architectural style we’ll see what comes out of it
Orientation entrance on the east, terrace and garden facing west
Maximum heights / restrictions / further requirements
[U]Owners’ requirements[/U]
Style, roof type, building type, basement, number of floors see above
Number of occupants, ages currently 2 (29 and 37 years), hopefully soon 2 children
Space requirements on the ground floor kitchen, living room, dining area, 2 children’s rooms, shower bathroom (the second toilet will be removed), preferably an entrance vestibule, space for a coat rack
Upper floor we have a suitable floor plan with the following rooms: bedroom, bathroom, dressing area, utility room, office
Office: family use or home office? for work, but not a home office
Overnight guests per year unknown, but definitely no separate room needed
Open or closed layout preferably open
Traditional or modern construction predefined
Open kitchen, kitchen island preferably yes, if possible
Number of dining seats 6 with extendable option
Fireplace no
Music / stereo wall no
Balcony, roof terrace present on upper floor
Garage, carport see above, 2 single garages
Vegetable garden, greenhouse preferably
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons for preferences or omissions
[U]House design[/U]
Who created the design:
-planner from a construction company
-architect
-DIYbased on the existing floor plan
What do you particularly like? Why? see below
What do you dislike? Why? see below
Cost estimate by architect/planner: unknown
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: unknown
Preferred heating system: heat pump, chimney flue omitted
[U]If you have to give up,[/U] which details / expansions
-you can do without: second toilet on ground floor
-you cannot do without: equal-sized children’s rooms, space for coat rack
We have considered various options for the floor plan, but are not yet 100% satisfied.
In general: We will bring the glass front in the hallway forward to enlarge it so that it aligns flush with the exterior wall. As already mentioned, we are removing the toilet. The chimney flue in the master bedroom will be removed. In the current floor plan, I have marked load-bearing walls in red (as far as we know so far). The area marked in blue is not cellar space, so water connections etc. probably cannot be relocated there. However, there must be a water supply/drain in the wall between the kitchen and dining area, as there is currently a washing machine there. Unfortunately, this is not marked in any plan and I haven’t been able to verify it yet. In principle, we are open to wall openings or new window openings if possible and within the budget.
Version 1 (without image): Room layout as before, only shift the wall between children’s rooms and master bedroom to adjust the size. Hallway as official dining area, possibly a smaller table at the dining spot. Opening through the wall between kitchen and dining area.
Disadvantage: despite removing the toilet, the vestibule is small, and the kitchen is difficult to furnish.
Version 2: Kitchen in the master bedroom area, 2 children’s rooms facing east
Advantage: large kitchen with island possible, dining area directly in front, direct access to terrace
Disadvantage: children’s rooms face the street (although it is hardly trafficked), one with window facing north (and east), still no nice hallway/vestibule possible
Version 3: different location for the bathroom
Advantage: children’s rooms remain the same
Disadvantage: kitchen moves away from terrace again and is difficult to furnish, small vestibule
I hope this was not too much text and that all necessary information is included. Do you have any other ideas?
Thanks!
in this thread https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/bitte-Meinungen-zum-Altbau-Grundriss.30321/ I already presented our project and asked for opinions. We are still working on finding the best floor plan for the ground floor. Since there have been some changes in the previous planning and we have become more flexible, I have started a new topic. To avoid any questions about this, here is the questionnaire.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 1141m2 (12,280 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio, Floor area ratio, building envelope, building line and boundary, edge development does not matter, as the building already exists
Number of parking spaces there are single garages on the left and right sides of the house; from the right garage you can access the backyard and then enter the kitchen through the side door
Number of floors basement, ground floor, attic
Roof type gable roof east-west
Architectural style we’ll see what comes out of it
Orientation entrance on the east, terrace and garden facing west
Maximum heights / restrictions / further requirements
[U]Owners’ requirements[/U]
Style, roof type, building type, basement, number of floors see above
Number of occupants, ages currently 2 (29 and 37 years), hopefully soon 2 children
Space requirements on the ground floor kitchen, living room, dining area, 2 children’s rooms, shower bathroom (the second toilet will be removed), preferably an entrance vestibule, space for a coat rack
Upper floor we have a suitable floor plan with the following rooms: bedroom, bathroom, dressing area, utility room, office
Office: family use or home office? for work, but not a home office
Overnight guests per year unknown, but definitely no separate room needed
Open or closed layout preferably open
Traditional or modern construction predefined
Open kitchen, kitchen island preferably yes, if possible
Number of dining seats 6 with extendable option
Fireplace no
Music / stereo wall no
Balcony, roof terrace present on upper floor
Garage, carport see above, 2 single garages
Vegetable garden, greenhouse preferably
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons for preferences or omissions
[U]House design[/U]
Who created the design:
-planner from a construction company
-architect
-DIYbased on the existing floor plan
What do you particularly like? Why? see below
What do you dislike? Why? see below
Cost estimate by architect/planner: unknown
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: unknown
Preferred heating system: heat pump, chimney flue omitted
[U]If you have to give up,[/U] which details / expansions
-you can do without: second toilet on ground floor
-you cannot do without: equal-sized children’s rooms, space for coat rack
We have considered various options for the floor plan, but are not yet 100% satisfied.
In general: We will bring the glass front in the hallway forward to enlarge it so that it aligns flush with the exterior wall. As already mentioned, we are removing the toilet. The chimney flue in the master bedroom will be removed. In the current floor plan, I have marked load-bearing walls in red (as far as we know so far). The area marked in blue is not cellar space, so water connections etc. probably cannot be relocated there. However, there must be a water supply/drain in the wall between the kitchen and dining area, as there is currently a washing machine there. Unfortunately, this is not marked in any plan and I haven’t been able to verify it yet. In principle, we are open to wall openings or new window openings if possible and within the budget.
Version 1 (without image): Room layout as before, only shift the wall between children’s rooms and master bedroom to adjust the size. Hallway as official dining area, possibly a smaller table at the dining spot. Opening through the wall between kitchen and dining area.
Disadvantage: despite removing the toilet, the vestibule is small, and the kitchen is difficult to furnish.
Version 2: Kitchen in the master bedroom area, 2 children’s rooms facing east
Advantage: large kitchen with island possible, dining area directly in front, direct access to terrace
Disadvantage: children’s rooms face the street (although it is hardly trafficked), one with window facing north (and east), still no nice hallway/vestibule possible
Version 3: different location for the bathroom
Advantage: children’s rooms remain the same
Disadvantage: kitchen moves away from terrace again and is difficult to furnish, small vestibule
I hope this was not too much text and that all necessary information is included. Do you have any other ideas?
Thanks!
kaho674 schrieb:
Overlay the plans – then you can clearly see that the top edge in the “middle” is different. I probably didn’t explain it well enough. In the old floor plan, the house basically ends there with a glass sliding door façade. In front of it is a conservatory, which we won’t keep. Since there is building structure both below and above the current outdoor corner, we will extend the glass façade forward.
Niloa schrieb:
Won't it become even more confusing if I scribble in different colors on the old plan?It definitely will. That’s why it’s better to use the new plan and mark it with three different colors accordingly. If I remember correctly, the old plan (see previous thread, linked here in post #1) doesn’t show the existing condition on the attic floor but rather an unimplemented proposed state, which doesn’t help with clarity.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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The attic floor is not up for discussion at all. There is an original plan and two additional ones from when it was converted. But as I said, that’s not the topic here. I also didn’t want to impose too many conditions with the current plan, since, as mentioned, we are open to all kinds of changes. It’s probably still too confusing if you haven’t been involved with it for a while =/
A renovation is different from a new build. In your examples, you have also removed some load-bearing walls. This is difficult to understand and, in my opinion, not easily feasible. Are you planning to install support beams there, or how do you envision this? Are you aware of the effort involved? What about the wiring for the stove and other appliances if the kitchen is moved to the terrace? How will that be handled? Will everything be new, or is something already in place?
I understand that you are willing to invest a significant amount of money. But what exactly are we talking about here? Removing load-bearing walls, rewiring electrical systems, relocating bathrooms, and repurposing rooms – this is almost equivalent to gutting the building.
I understand that you are willing to invest a significant amount of money. But what exactly are we talking about here? Removing load-bearing walls, rewiring electrical systems, relocating bathrooms, and repurposing rooms – this is almost equivalent to gutting the building.
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