ᐅ Floor Plan with a Recessed Section – Yes or No?

Created on: 4 Jun 2019 23:23
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goldmarieeeee
Hello everyone!

My husband and I are in the early stages of planning our house. We had to submit a preliminary house plan to our local municipality (Salzburg Land/Austria) on short notice due to certain requirements. We developed this plan together with our designer with very little preparation time.

We have a somewhat unusual floor plan, in our opinion, featuring a setback on the ground floor, and we mainly want to hear your opinions about this. Our primary concern is whether we have taken a completely absurd approach or if we can build on this basic idea. Our biggest issue is that so far we haven’t seen a single house with this type of floor plan (neither online nor in real life, at least around Salzburg and nearby ...) and naturally, we wonder why. Does it have any significant disadvantages? Does it look strange in any way?

We look forward to your feedback and are already very grateful for your constructive criticism and especially your time to help us.


Now to the questionnaire:

Development plan / Restrictions
Plot size 920 m² (9,900 sq ft)
Slope Elevated plot, gently sloping on three sides

Owners’ requirements
Style, roof type, building type rural-modern, gable roof, two-family house
Basement, floors Basement, 2 full floors, attic
Number of occupants, ages Currently three (28, 29, and 8 months old) with 1-2 more children planned
Space requirements on ground and upper floors
Ground floor: spacious open kitchen with integrated pantry, dining area, living room, WC, bathroom, office (later a bedroom)
Upper floor: 3 children’s bedrooms, family bathroom, WC
Attic: master bedroom with bathroom and an additional room (extra bedroom / hobby room)

Ground floor + upper floor approx. 200 m² (2,150 sq ft); attic size not yet finalized

Office For family use and later bedroom
Kitchen L-shaped with cooking island and wood stove
Number of dining seats 6-8, possibly extendable table for more space
Fireplace Yes – planned as a room divider between living room and "common room"
Balcony Balcony on the first floor – should eventually be large enough for the second family
Garage Small garage for 1 vehicle and a larger garage for 2 vehicles

House design
Planned by:
Designer from a construction company

What do you particularly like? Why?
  • “Split-level” living room – in our opinion, this creates a visual separation between the kitchen/dining area and is our little “highlight.” The living room remains a distinct living space and doesn’t get cluttered with toys because the common room offers plenty of space.
  • “Common room” – this refers to the area between the living room and kitchen in front of the terrace door – lots of space for children to play and creates an open atmosphere while keeping the living room somewhat separated. Where a sofa is drawn, a fireplace with a reading corner as a room divider is also planned.
  • Setback at the terrace – seating area covered and wind-protected with privacy screening. The resulting floor plan (where the living room is not directly adjacent to the kitchen and dining area as in many open-concept designs) is something we like.
What don’t you like? Why?
  • The office is intended to become our bedroom later, but in our opinion, it is currently too small for that.
  • Main entrance is in the basement – spatially, the floor plan doesn’t allow for another solution; otherwise, the entrance would be on the back of the house, which we do not like. However, there is certainly another entrance on the ground floor for easier access when bringing in groceries, so you don’t have to carry everything through the basement.
  • The cloakroom in the basement is still too small but can be easily enlarged – just mentioning this in case someone notices.

Cost estimate according to architect/designer not yet available – only a preliminary draft
Personal budget for house including fixtures and fittings 350,000 € (with a lot of personal labor)
Preferred heating technology Heat pump

If you had to give up something, which features/finishes
- Could give up: attic expansion initially, but want to keep the possibility for future use
- Cannot give up: a cozy and large kitchen/dining area is very important to us

Why does the design look the way it does?

The most important aspect of our planning is that the house can be converted into a two-family home in the future when one of our children would need it, earliest in 20–25 years. That would mean one living unit on the ground floor and a second on the first floor plus the attic.

The office planned on the ground floor would then be used as a bedroom. The staircase can be completely separated with a (already marked) wall but is intended to remain open until then.

The attic is planned to house the master bedroom with bathroom. This is where the plan shows the biggest weaknesses for us: the bedroom is too large, and the bathroom is too small. This definitely needs to be changed.

Why sleep in the attic? There is not enough space on the ground floor, and we want to keep privacy from the children’s bedrooms so that when our kids are older and have friends/partners visiting, everyone can have their own space. We know this might be inconvenient with small children/babies due to additional distances, but since children’s bedrooms 1 and 2 are relatively large, siblings could share a room, and bedroom 3 could serve as a “backup bedroom” for us. We are only planning for two children but you never know!
If later children’s bedrooms 1 and 2 become kitchen/living areas, there would then be one bedroom on the first floor and two more in the attic.

What we particularly like is the idea of the split-level living room. We are aware that opinions on this are very divided and most experts discourage it. However, the level difference is only 36 cm (2 steps), and we believe it will be manageable even as we get older.

What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?

We would really like to know from you:
  • Is there a name for this floor plan style (like L-shaped or U-shaped)?
  • What do you think in general about the idea of the setback? We like the idea of having a covered terrace area and the resulting floor plan. We haven’t seen houses or floor plans like this before (if at all, only with bungalows) and wonder why? Does nobody like it, or are there disadvantages we are overlooking? Do you have experiences with sunlight exposure – will it be a problem that the setback measures 3.5 m (11.5 ft) from the balcony edge to the terrace door?
  • Even though we love the idea, we would appreciate experiences and opinions on the split-level living room.
  • Would you build the wall separating the common room from the living room (shown as 1.20 m (4 ft) high in the plan) all the way to the ceiling?
  • Suggestions and ideas for the office/bedroom on the ground floor – how could the layout be changed to make the room at least 5 m² (54 sq ft) larger?

Model of a yellow, two-story house with balcony and terrace on a green slope with stone wall.


Yellow two-story house with brown roof, balconies, garage and two cars: green pickup and white car.


View of a multi-story house with balconies, hillside location and terrace.


Architectural drawing of a multi-story house with garage, northwest view.


Section through a multi-story house with stairs, red supports and green beams.


Basement floor plan: green exterior walls, red interior walls, labels Garage/Basement.


House floor plan with red exterior walls; shows kitchen-dining, living room, bathroom.


Apartment floor plan: red walls, ROOM, HALL, BATHROOM, WC, balcony.


Attic floor plan: red outer frame, rooms, hallway and stairs.


Site plan: red residential house with garage and terrace on green bordered plot.
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goldmarieeeee
7 Jun 2019 15:35
11ant schrieb:


How did you manage to dig so deep so quickly here? – This really challenged my thread memory, because I had seen the thread before, but it was "from before my time"; the "stolen" picture comes from here: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/erster-grundrissentwurf-unseres-Architekten-Meinungen.12585/ (now you owe me an explanation why this one appeals to you more).

oh, very impressive, thank you I just used the search function for that

so here you go: especially find 2 approaches worth considering:

1) Placing the stairs in the center – this way the hallway in our plan loses its "corridor feeling" and I find the layout much more harmonious; it also means the office/bedroom shifts to the left half of the house + that would also create a separation between kids’ and parents’ areas upstairs

2) The kitchen can then be set back accordingly and provided with an additional entrance – shorter routes to the basement and for groceries ....

So, I can well imagine a combination of both plans. Maybe also like in the other plan no "symmetrical" U-shape but somewhat shifted ....


Ground floor plan: red wall layout, rooms living, kitchen-dining, bathroom, WC, stairs, office/guest room.




Ground floor plan: living room, dining, kitchen, office, WC, hallway, terrace.



House floor plan with living room, dining, kitchen, office, WC, corridor, hallway, and garden/terraces.
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goldmarieeeee
7 Jun 2019 15:50
haydee schrieb:


Off Topic
Toys still tend to accumulate, but I don’t see that as a problem. Anything that isn’t played with goes into the cupboard and reappears after a few weeks. That way, there’s always something new to discover. My little one uses everything now.
Check out Pinterest. You can find many DIY tutorials there. The rainbow rocker and the learning tower are used a lot. Especially the tower, as an IKEA hack, is worth every penny.

Absolutely, you’re completely right. But there are also children’s rooms where the stuff belongs and has its place. Depending on what’s most interesting at the moment, it’s allowed to move down to the living area. If there were a dedicated playroom on the ground floor (also not a bad idea), the kids wouldn’t always play there willingly anyway because they want to be near mom and dad, and we want to keep an eye on them. In the end, it would probably just turn into storage space rather than a used “play area.”

Yeah, the learning tower will definitely be the next DIY project.
11ant7 Jun 2019 17:55
goldmarieeeee schrieb:

I just used the search function for that

But surely not just with "back jump" or something like that – what exactly did you enter?
goldmarieeeee schrieb:

I can well imagine a combination of both plans.

Yes, and you can tell the architect that – there’s no risk of “falling in love” with the same architect’s design, so it won’t bother them.
goldmarieeeee schrieb:

Cozy seating nook in the kitchen *dream* that would be just my style – what do you call something like that?

Traditionally, I’d think of it as an “alcove.” The one shown in the Baufritz house presentation I would simply call a “sofa in the kitchen,” and in the thread I linked by @philipok, it’s referred to as a “shell-pooh-pooh corner.”

What kind of wall structures do you have in your plans? – I can’t really imagine 50, 37, or 12 cm (20, 15, or 5 inches).
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haydee
7 Jun 2019 18:00
I know a family with a playroom. It is not used at all. The children play close to their parents and later in their bedrooms.

In the open living area, there is the kitchen, a rainbow rocker, some books, arts and crafts materials, and a few games that are currently popular. However, structures like the play tent, the Lego tower, and the train set, which are played with for several days, are better placed in a corner that you don’t walk through constantly.
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goldmarieeeee
7 Jun 2019 21:31
11ant schrieb:

But probably not just with a "recess" or something like that—what exactly did you enter?

Well, I didn’t really come up with anything more creative.
11ant schrieb:

Traditionally, I would think of an "alcove"; what’s shown in the presentation of the Baufritz house I would simply call a "sofa in the kitchen," and in the thread I linked by @philipok it’s called a "Musche-Pu-Pu corner."

Hmm, very interesting topic... after reading the thread, I googled this Musche thing because I couldn’t picture it, and only found the following definition.

Here, we usually call something like that a "diwan," and I mainly know it from farmhouses, but I haven’t come across it in such a classy and modern design before! It definitely has its charm, but you have to be careful it doesn’t just become a clutter spot (I’ve seen that happen a lot).
11ant schrieb:

What kind of wall constructions do you have in your plans? I can’t really imagine 50, 37, or 12 cm.

I’ll have to ask my husband. I don’t know exactly. But it could be referring to the brick thickness? That would make sense, right?
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goldmarieeeee
7 Jun 2019 21:41
haydee schrieb:

... a corner that you don’t walk through all the time, better placed

Yes, there is some truth to that. I could just be reasonable and scrap the whole concept, but sometimes being reasonable isn’t fun. I think I’m not quite ready to give it up completely yet.

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