ᐅ Floor Plan with a Recessed Section – Yes or No?

Created on: 4 Jun 2019 23:23
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goldmarieeeee
Hello everyone!

My husband and I are in the early stages of planning our house. We had to submit a preliminary house plan to our local municipality (Salzburg Land/Austria) on short notice due to certain requirements. We developed this plan together with our designer with very little preparation time.

We have a somewhat unusual floor plan, in our opinion, featuring a setback on the ground floor, and we mainly want to hear your opinions about this. Our primary concern is whether we have taken a completely absurd approach or if we can build on this basic idea. Our biggest issue is that so far we haven’t seen a single house with this type of floor plan (neither online nor in real life, at least around Salzburg and nearby ...) and naturally, we wonder why. Does it have any significant disadvantages? Does it look strange in any way?

We look forward to your feedback and are already very grateful for your constructive criticism and especially your time to help us.


Now to the questionnaire:

Development plan / Restrictions
Plot size 920 m² (9,900 sq ft)
Slope Elevated plot, gently sloping on three sides

Owners’ requirements
Style, roof type, building type rural-modern, gable roof, two-family house
Basement, floors Basement, 2 full floors, attic
Number of occupants, ages Currently three (28, 29, and 8 months old) with 1-2 more children planned
Space requirements on ground and upper floors
Ground floor: spacious open kitchen with integrated pantry, dining area, living room, WC, bathroom, office (later a bedroom)
Upper floor: 3 children’s bedrooms, family bathroom, WC
Attic: master bedroom with bathroom and an additional room (extra bedroom / hobby room)

Ground floor + upper floor approx. 200 m² (2,150 sq ft); attic size not yet finalized

Office For family use and later bedroom
Kitchen L-shaped with cooking island and wood stove
Number of dining seats 6-8, possibly extendable table for more space
Fireplace Yes – planned as a room divider between living room and "common room"
Balcony Balcony on the first floor – should eventually be large enough for the second family
Garage Small garage for 1 vehicle and a larger garage for 2 vehicles

House design
Planned by:
Designer from a construction company

What do you particularly like? Why?
  • “Split-level” living room – in our opinion, this creates a visual separation between the kitchen/dining area and is our little “highlight.” The living room remains a distinct living space and doesn’t get cluttered with toys because the common room offers plenty of space.
  • “Common room” – this refers to the area between the living room and kitchen in front of the terrace door – lots of space for children to play and creates an open atmosphere while keeping the living room somewhat separated. Where a sofa is drawn, a fireplace with a reading corner as a room divider is also planned.
  • Setback at the terrace – seating area covered and wind-protected with privacy screening. The resulting floor plan (where the living room is not directly adjacent to the kitchen and dining area as in many open-concept designs) is something we like.
What don’t you like? Why?
  • The office is intended to become our bedroom later, but in our opinion, it is currently too small for that.
  • Main entrance is in the basement – spatially, the floor plan doesn’t allow for another solution; otherwise, the entrance would be on the back of the house, which we do not like. However, there is certainly another entrance on the ground floor for easier access when bringing in groceries, so you don’t have to carry everything through the basement.
  • The cloakroom in the basement is still too small but can be easily enlarged – just mentioning this in case someone notices.

Cost estimate according to architect/designer not yet available – only a preliminary draft
Personal budget for house including fixtures and fittings 350,000 € (with a lot of personal labor)
Preferred heating technology Heat pump

If you had to give up something, which features/finishes
- Could give up: attic expansion initially, but want to keep the possibility for future use
- Cannot give up: a cozy and large kitchen/dining area is very important to us

Why does the design look the way it does?

The most important aspect of our planning is that the house can be converted into a two-family home in the future when one of our children would need it, earliest in 20–25 years. That would mean one living unit on the ground floor and a second on the first floor plus the attic.

The office planned on the ground floor would then be used as a bedroom. The staircase can be completely separated with a (already marked) wall but is intended to remain open until then.

The attic is planned to house the master bedroom with bathroom. This is where the plan shows the biggest weaknesses for us: the bedroom is too large, and the bathroom is too small. This definitely needs to be changed.

Why sleep in the attic? There is not enough space on the ground floor, and we want to keep privacy from the children’s bedrooms so that when our kids are older and have friends/partners visiting, everyone can have their own space. We know this might be inconvenient with small children/babies due to additional distances, but since children’s bedrooms 1 and 2 are relatively large, siblings could share a room, and bedroom 3 could serve as a “backup bedroom” for us. We are only planning for two children but you never know!
If later children’s bedrooms 1 and 2 become kitchen/living areas, there would then be one bedroom on the first floor and two more in the attic.

What we particularly like is the idea of the split-level living room. We are aware that opinions on this are very divided and most experts discourage it. However, the level difference is only 36 cm (2 steps), and we believe it will be manageable even as we get older.

What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?

We would really like to know from you:
  • Is there a name for this floor plan style (like L-shaped or U-shaped)?
  • What do you think in general about the idea of the setback? We like the idea of having a covered terrace area and the resulting floor plan. We haven’t seen houses or floor plans like this before (if at all, only with bungalows) and wonder why? Does nobody like it, or are there disadvantages we are overlooking? Do you have experiences with sunlight exposure – will it be a problem that the setback measures 3.5 m (11.5 ft) from the balcony edge to the terrace door?
  • Even though we love the idea, we would appreciate experiences and opinions on the split-level living room.
  • Would you build the wall separating the common room from the living room (shown as 1.20 m (4 ft) high in the plan) all the way to the ceiling?
  • Suggestions and ideas for the office/bedroom on the ground floor – how could the layout be changed to make the room at least 5 m² (54 sq ft) larger?

Model of a yellow, two-story house with balcony and terrace on a green slope with stone wall.


Yellow two-story house with brown roof, balconies, garage and two cars: green pickup and white car.


View of a multi-story house with balconies, hillside location and terrace.


Architectural drawing of a multi-story house with garage, northwest view.


Section through a multi-story house with stairs, red supports and green beams.


Basement floor plan: green exterior walls, red interior walls, labels Garage/Basement.


House floor plan with red exterior walls; shows kitchen-dining, living room, bathroom.


Apartment floor plan: red walls, ROOM, HALL, BATHROOM, WC, balcony.


Attic floor plan: red outer frame, rooms, hallway and stairs.


Site plan: red residential house with garage and terrace on green bordered plot.
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goldmarieeeee
6 Jun 2019 22:09
haydee schrieb:


I don’t know your taste, but take a look at Baufritz Heimat 4.0.
A very modern interpretation.
From the outside, it’s striking and definitely not boring. The floor plan is a rectangular gable roof house.

The exterior design isn’t really my style (as I said, I prefer something more traditional), but there are some really cool ideas for the interior (a cozy seating nook in the kitchen *dream*—that would be just perfect for me—what do you call something like that?).
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haydee
6 Jun 2019 22:28
goldmarieeeee schrieb:

The exterior design isn’t exactly my style (as I said, I prefer something more traditional), but there are some really cool ideas for the interior (cozy seating nook in the kitchen *dream* that would be just my thing – what do you call something like that?)

But you can see that a rectangle isn’t necessarily boring
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haydee
6 Jun 2019 22:46
The corner fits really well.

Take a look at Regnauer.

Size isn’t everything.
Toys shouldn’t be in the living room. Up to three children play in that area.
You come in with the shopping basket and bump into the block tower.
You want to set the table outside but have to walk through the railway track layout.
Then you want to get the empty glasses from the living room and bump into the play kitchen.

Do you understand what YPG means?
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goldmarieeeee
6 Jun 2019 23:04
haydee schrieb:

But you see that a rectangle isn’t boring

Yes, that’s true, of course. Still - with a rural, traditionally styled house like ours, there just aren’t many options left unfortunately :-( meaning no fancy window features and so on... Balcony is
haydee schrieb:

The corner really fits well

Take a look at Regnauer

Floor space isn’t everything.
Toys shouldn’t be in the living room. Up to 3 children play in that area
You come in with the shopping basket and bump into the block tower
You want to set the table outside and have to walk through the train tracks
Then you want to clear the empty glasses from the living room and bump into the play kitchen.

Do you understand what YPG means?

Yes, I know what you’re getting at. Now I see it this way: toys “are allowed” to be in the living room sometimes, and especially small children always stay where Mom is. I already have an 8-month-old son, and when I’m cooking he’s right beside me on the floor, and that won’t change even when he’s more mobile — he HAS to stay within my (defined) proximity. Older children can be told where they are allowed to play. Childhood years are kind of years of chaos anyway. What I want to say is, I have a lot less space now and it still works. I know others who have (much) worse living conditions, and it works for them too. I actually find the space good for playpens and things like that. And if I may mention something a bit off topic: I’m not a fan of the currently widespread cheap plastic children’s toys—honestly don’t know what I should still play with. Sure, toys are important, no question, but in some living rooms there’s already almost a whole toy store set up. It really doesn’t have to be that way.
11ant7 Jun 2019 00:08
goldmarieeeee schrieb:

Can you find anything positive in our plan? I’d also be interested to know if there are any thoughts or ideas that aren’t just negative.

It’s definitely not all bad, but it’s just a house design, not a pet, so it should be put aside without tears. It’s a matter of principle: every part of a design – even the good ones – becomes a burden if you start from scratch. The really good parts will automatically reappear, and it’s only if you don’t secretly tell the planner about them that this works well.
goldmarieeeee schrieb:

Yesterday I found a floor plan in the forum (I don’t remember where, sorry) that is very similar to ours but appeals to me much more. I’d be very interested in your opinion on it.

How did you dig so deep so quickly here? You really tested my thread-memory, because I had seen that thread but it was “before my time.” The “stolen” picture comes from here: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/erster-grundrissentwurf-unseres-Architekten-Meinungen.12585/ (now you owe me an explanation why it appeals to you more as a reward).
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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haydee
7 Jun 2019 06:53
Area alone is not everything if chosen poorly.

Off Topic
Toys still accumulate anyway. I don’t find that a problem. What isn’t played with goes into the cupboard and reappears after a few weeks. This way, there’s always something new from time to time. My little one now uses everything.
Check out Pinterest. You’ll find many DIY instructions there. The rainbow rocker and the learning tower are used a lot. Especially the tower, as an Ikea hack, is worth every penny.