ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Nordlys, let’s just say this was planned and built less than ideally. For example, having breakfast on the terrace turns into a marathon when you have to keep running back and forth to the kitchen to get everything...
This house is large and not small, but since everything is squeezed into the ground floor and the upper floor isn’t included in the planning, it’s simply impractical.
I have an idea for the upper floor to minimize hallway space. What else fits in the rooms? Definitely, good stairway lighting is needed.
This house is large and not small, but since everything is squeezed into the ground floor and the upper floor isn’t included in the planning, it’s simply impractical.
I have an idea for the upper floor to minimize hallway space. What else fits in the rooms? Definitely, good stairway lighting is needed.
hanse987 schrieb:
I have another idea for the upper floor with as little hallway space as possible. What space is still available in the rooms? Definitely, good stair lighting is needed.Very good! If the stairs could be made a bit steeper and therefore shorter, and the whole staircase moved closer to the entrance, that would be a big improvement.hanse987 schrieb:
One more point. If the beams rest at the top edge of the windows, the upper floor will be quite low. What is the required ceiling height for living spaces in Schleswig-Holstein? I’ve also been wondering whether the upper floor would even qualify as living space. And if not, what exactly the general contractor means by "expandable roof" here. I would really like to see the contract.
I am 61 years old and have never had breakfast on a terrace, and I won’t start now. It’s far too windy here for that. And if I take something outside, I use the back door for that. That’s what it’s there for.
Carrying food into the living room? Why? The kitchen has a table and a corner bench, and that’s where meals are eaten.
The bedroom is a bit tight... well, it’s not exactly a gym, but it just about works.
The only doors I would accept are the ones leading into the hallway. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be my house, but it could work for the two of them. As for the ceiling height upstairs, no one cares if you do it later. It will have standing height.
Carrying food into the living room? Why? The kitchen has a table and a corner bench, and that’s where meals are eaten.
The bedroom is a bit tight... well, it’s not exactly a gym, but it just about works.
The only doors I would accept are the ones leading into the hallway. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be my house, but it could work for the two of them. As for the ceiling height upstairs, no one cares if you do it later. It will have standing height.
kaho674 schrieb:
What really surprises me even more is what the general contractor or architect (can we still call them that?) is delivering here. Built exactly as ordered—no thought or advice given to the client at all. Indeed.kaho674 schrieb:
The original poster wants 2 kids’ rooms, a bedroom, bathroom, and storage on the upper floor. No, that’s not possible.hanse987 schrieb:
I have an idea for the upper floor with as little hallway space as possible. What fits into the rooms? Good stair lighting is definitely needed. That’s not possible either. You run into the sloping roof. (But it might work in a pinch with different door positions.)I checked: the living room width downstairs is 3.76 meters (12.3 feet)... which would be the depth of the room available in front of the stairs if you allocate one meter (3.3 feet) for a hallway. Looking at the windows upstairs
I see about 4 meters (13.1 feet) width at 2 meters (6.6 feet) standing height. That gives roughly 15 square meters (160 square feet) in the front area plus the space under the roof, where you can’t even fit a bed. Divided into two kids’ rooms, that’s 7.5 square meters (81 square feet) per child. Each child could get a small niche extension, but that doesn’t count as living space. So they would each have less space than a cell.
In the middle, you have to subtract the width of the hallway and stairs. That leaves roughly 3 meters (9.8 feet) for a bedroom, which realistically only has one meter (3.3 feet) of standing space along its length. If you get rid of a traditional bed frame and sleep on a futon mattress, it might work... but a regular bed won’t fit under the sloping roof.
On top of that, it wouldn’t even be considered official living space.
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