ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
The design didn’t really impress me either... somewhat boring, especially the exterior views. Why so few windows on the west/southwest side? Bedroom in the west? Well... not ideal, it will get quite warm in summer.
When it comes to layout and architectural style, I rarely agree with Nordlys, but here he is 100% right: the kitchen and utility room definitely need to be swapped, followed by switching the dining area and living room. Having a door from the kitchen to the combined living/dining area then makes sense. A dining table used only when guests come over doesn’t make sense to me at all. How often will that be? Once a month? Less??? And dedicating half of the living space for that???
So I’d rather have just a small breakfast nook in the kitchen where you can quickly eat breakfast or the child can have lunch, but when the family eats together, they use the dining area. Otherwise, just omit a formal dining space entirely and set up a table in the living area when guests visit. Only people with 200m² (2,150 sq ft) for two persons can afford a table used a maximum of 12 times a year that takes up half of the living room.
If you swap the utility room and kitchen, you could also consider opening up the kitchen or possibly using a sliding door, which would eliminate the need for a second dining area: one table is enough.
Regarding the opening in the utility room: is it a window or a door? On the exterior views, I only see the bedroom window.
When planning, keep in mind that if the upper floor might be developed later, make sure to install the necessary connections and provisions upwards in advance. Overall, I would definitely incorporate a rough plan for the future extension already, just to know where the windows should go, etc.
When it comes to layout and architectural style, I rarely agree with Nordlys, but here he is 100% right: the kitchen and utility room definitely need to be swapped, followed by switching the dining area and living room. Having a door from the kitchen to the combined living/dining area then makes sense. A dining table used only when guests come over doesn’t make sense to me at all. How often will that be? Once a month? Less??? And dedicating half of the living space for that???
So I’d rather have just a small breakfast nook in the kitchen where you can quickly eat breakfast or the child can have lunch, but when the family eats together, they use the dining area. Otherwise, just omit a formal dining space entirely and set up a table in the living area when guests visit. Only people with 200m² (2,150 sq ft) for two persons can afford a table used a maximum of 12 times a year that takes up half of the living room.
If you swap the utility room and kitchen, you could also consider opening up the kitchen or possibly using a sliding door, which would eliminate the need for a second dining area: one table is enough.
Regarding the opening in the utility room: is it a window or a door? On the exterior views, I only see the bedroom window.
When planning, keep in mind that if the upper floor might be developed later, make sure to install the necessary connections and provisions upwards in advance. Overall, I would definitely incorporate a rough plan for the future extension already, just to know where the windows should go, etc.
No, Climbee, not like that either. Usually, meals are eaten in the kitchen. Dining table Ikea Norden, white, four chairs ypperlig gray. That’s how I know it too. Then there is a nice living room. There’s also a table there for “special occasions” when you have guests, for coffee or in the evening. Otherwise, the table with the four chairs in the living room is decorative and pleasant to look at. That’s why people buy them made from wild oak, steamed beech, or even teak wood—for something nice to admire. The bedroom facing west is neither generously glazed nor particularly warm in southern Germany. We had a west-facing bedroom for decades, and it was never a problem. Since the wind usually comes from the west, you get nice fresh air inside.
Good: this utility room is so spacious that you can still fit a Billy bookcase with doors to use as a pantry cupboard for light bulbs, cleaning products, steel wool, canned pineapples, and so on. Plus, a washer and dryer. If you add a washbasin there, you would also have a place to scrape early potatoes or clean fish. Until primary school age, no child needs more playroom (KZ) than you already have. After that, there is the attic. Until then, the attic is a great substitute for a cellar. Possibly, you only need to partially finish the attic later on, so you still have some storage space left. Never any storage problems.
Good: this utility room is so spacious that you can still fit a Billy bookcase with doors to use as a pantry cupboard for light bulbs, cleaning products, steel wool, canned pineapples, and so on. Plus, a washer and dryer. If you add a washbasin there, you would also have a place to scrape early potatoes or clean fish. Until primary school age, no child needs more playroom (KZ) than you already have. After that, there is the attic. Until then, the attic is a great substitute for a cellar. Possibly, you only need to partially finish the attic later on, so you still have some storage space left. Never any storage problems.
Nordlys schrieb:
There’s also a table for “special occasions.” That’s from the last century, sorry, and to me an absolute waste of space.
It’s like when the lady of the house buys nice lingerie but then always leaves it in the drawer “for something special” (and then passes away before that special moment *clears throat*).
I’d rather create a comfortable dining area in the (larger) kitchen that I can even expand if guests come over. But a dining spot that I only dust off 7 days a year and leave unused the other 355???
In my brother’s in-laws’ home, it’s like this: a very stylish, huge dining area in the living room. Like they had in the 1970s — a big round bay window for the dining table. Thank goodness no built-in bench seating (otherwise everyone would have to get up if someone needs to go to the bathroom during the meal), but a large custom-made round table with 10 chairs around it. Plus a big corner bench in the kitchen.
Now guess where they eat. ALWAYS. Even with guests. Because you don’t want to leave the cook alone in the kitchen, you join her there. And since it’s so cozy, you stay there, switching the table from the formal dining table to the worn kitchen table, and that’s it.
The widowed mother-in-law is currently considering converting the unused huge dining niche into a cozy reading corner (with a comfy sofa and lighting), but she’s still hesitating about giving up the ridiculously expensive custom-made table.
If you have a large dining area in the living room, please use it daily.
I understand the example with the lingerie, as it suits the simple male mindset, but I still don’t agree with the rest. I have a dark suit and Lloyd shoes, which are not for everyday wear either. And the Robbe and Berking silver from the wedding—we don’t use it all the time, only at Christmas, because Christmas should stand out. It’s the same with furniture: if everything is always the same, it all becomes equally valid, and then you might as well just write it all together. Karsten
Nordlys schrieb:
Up to elementary school age, children don’t need more living space than you have. After that, you have the attic anyway. I have to disagree based on personal experience. Our son (3 years old) now has just under 12 square meters (130 square feet). Inside there is a regular bed (now a loft bed), a small shelf for his player and diaper supplies, a Stuva (IKEA) wardrobe where his clothes are stored, a play table (self-made), a toy kitchen, a small workbench, and his Playmobil dragon knight castle. Smaller toys like cars, animals, and similar fit inside the play table. I wouldn’t want the room any smaller. Otherwise, the children hardly have space to spread out and will naturally move their play area into the living room. Yikes!
I understand (and we do it the same way) that you want to make special days special, but a silverware set (which we also use whenever we simply feel like enjoying a nice meal) is stored space-efficiently in a drawer, a cutlery roll, or a cutlery tray in the storage room and doesn't take up any living space.
If I had a huge villa, I could say, "We only use the pink lounge room at Christmas and Easter!" In between, the furniture is covered with dust covers, and before Christmas and Easter, the staff prepares the pink lounge for use again (and after the holidays, they put the dust covers back on the furniture).
But that is not a practical situation for a normally sized single-family home, where I simply need the space (even if only to create room for the little ones to play). Therefore: a nice dining area, yes! ... but then use it and don’t just waste space.
Two large dining areas (just a few meters apart) are a waste of space!
If I had a huge villa, I could say, "We only use the pink lounge room at Christmas and Easter!" In between, the furniture is covered with dust covers, and before Christmas and Easter, the staff prepares the pink lounge for use again (and after the holidays, they put the dust covers back on the furniture).
But that is not a practical situation for a normally sized single-family home, where I simply need the space (even if only to create room for the little ones to play). Therefore: a nice dining area, yes! ... but then use it and don’t just waste space.
Two large dining areas (just a few meters apart) are a waste of space!
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