ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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pffreestyler
Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
pffreestyler schrieb:
The upper floor is not fully planned yet, but the builder told us that it still needs to be included in the plans so that everything is clear by the start of construction regarding how it will be in the end. Hmm.
You’re upset because I’m expressing my honest opinion here, but what really frustrates ME is that money was spent on a plan that wasn’t thought through from start to finish. THAT’s what annoys me.
If I understand correctly, you don’t have an unlimited budget. In that case, you could write off this house as a “trial run” and do better next time. But that won't be possible.
If I buy an old existing house for a low price, I have to accept such limitations. But if I’m building new—and if I understood correctly, you don’t have a restrictive building plan or a plot of land with strict requirements (like a triangular plot with a protected oak tree or something)—and then you mess things up with your limited budget, that’s really frustrating.
A bedroom where I can only fit a bed up to 160cm (63 inches) wide... as I said, if I buy an old suburban house, I have to live with that. But usually, I would have paid under €200,000 (for house and land). For a new build: NO GO! Even if you can’t imagine it now, 160cm (63 inches) can feel cramped. Especially with children...
What I also see as a concern: expanding the house when the kids are already there.
And until then? Putting a crib in the tiny bedroom? And do you really think that will be the best time for an extension? Whether or not you have a building savings plan, chances are one income earner will partially or completely drop out.
There are so many—too many—inconsistencies, too many things that were overlooked, and what resulted is quite a botched job.
Thank God at least you were reasonable about the doors leading to the hallway!
You will move in soon, I hope you’ll still be happy living there. But I stand by what I said: given the conditions, something sensible could have come out of it.
If I understand correctly, you don’t have an unlimited budget. In that case, you could write off this house as a “trial run” and do better next time. But that won't be possible.
If I buy an old existing house for a low price, I have to accept such limitations. But if I’m building new—and if I understood correctly, you don’t have a restrictive building plan or a plot of land with strict requirements (like a triangular plot with a protected oak tree or something)—and then you mess things up with your limited budget, that’s really frustrating.
A bedroom where I can only fit a bed up to 160cm (63 inches) wide... as I said, if I buy an old suburban house, I have to live with that. But usually, I would have paid under €200,000 (for house and land). For a new build: NO GO! Even if you can’t imagine it now, 160cm (63 inches) can feel cramped. Especially with children...
What I also see as a concern: expanding the house when the kids are already there.
And until then? Putting a crib in the tiny bedroom? And do you really think that will be the best time for an extension? Whether or not you have a building savings plan, chances are one income earner will partially or completely drop out.
There are so many—too many—inconsistencies, too many things that were overlooked, and what resulted is quite a botched job.
Thank God at least you were reasonable about the doors leading to the hallway!
You will move in soon, I hope you’ll still be happy living there. But I stand by what I said: given the conditions, something sensible could have come out of it.
Climbee schrieb:
You are upset because I’m expressing my honest opinion here, but what ANNOYS ME is that money was spent on a plan that was poorly thought out from start to finish. THAT’s what frustrates me.I’m annoyed too, Climbee! But adding salt to the wound—that’s not something we should do. That only harms our reputation.
Climbee schrieb:
A bedroom where I can fit at most a 160cm (63 inch) bed... as I said, if I buy an old suburban house, I have to accept that. But then I also paid less than 2,000,000€.
For a new build: NO GO!
Even if you can’t imagine it now: 160cm (63 inch) can feel tight. Especially with children...We only have a 160cm (63 inch) bed too... it was placed too close to a wall, or rather there were still moving boxes there, and suddenly... I stubbed my little toe in the dark and broke it. A little anecdote because Pfefferstreuer likes small stories.
Oops, now I’m contradicting myself in the same post... salt in the wound... Pfefferstreuer... but that actually sets us up nicely to respond to the OP.
Climbee schrieb:
but what annoys ME is that money was spent on a plan that was poorly thought through from start to finish. On behalf of everyone who warned in time, and rightly so. People don’t just leave their ramblings here to carve another “Kilroy was here” into the bark of the internet. They offer advice to be helpful and not without reason before it’s too late. Willingly free of charge, rarely in vain.
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11ant schrieb:
Representing everyone who warned in time, rightfully so. You don’t just leave your rambling here to carve another "Kilroy was here" into the bark of the internet.... that’s why I’m making a bet: it will be done differently than the best advice given here.
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