ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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pffreestyler
Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
How absurd is that? Of course, you have to plan the upper floor if you want to convert it. Whether that happens immediately or in 100 years doesn’t matter. The position of the stairs is crucial and is difficult to change even after 100 years. What knee wall height have you planned?
I would also reconsider the door situation. Your rooms feel too narrow, but it’s fine to block the narrow hallway, where you walk a thousand times a day, with doors? It’s also unpleasant when someone walks through and suddenly runs into a door. That doesn’t make sense. The hallway is used far more often than the rooms. It needs to stay clear.
Please, no more discussion about the utility room. I think everyone here has accepted that by now.
I would also reconsider the door situation. Your rooms feel too narrow, but it’s fine to block the narrow hallway, where you walk a thousand times a day, with doors? It’s also unpleasant when someone walks through and suddenly runs into a door. That doesn’t make sense. The hallway is used far more often than the rooms. It needs to stay clear.
Please, no more discussion about the utility room. I think everyone here has accepted that by now.
pffreestyler schrieb:
Ah, that’s what you mean. Yes, it might not be completely to scale. The floor construction will probably be around 10cm (4 inches). Underfloor heating, dry screed, floor covering. A cousin has 9cm (3.5 inches), also on a wooden beam ceiling.To get a reasonably accurate sketch to scale, it helps to place tracing paper over the ground floor drawing and copy the basic dimensions. Alternatively, good old greaseproof paper works as well.
With the 10cm (4 inches) floor build-up, you’ve forgotten about the wooden beams. Even with a 10cm (4 inches) build-up, you only have just over 1.5m (5 feet) of headroom for a 2.5m (8 feet) section.
I wouldn’t have an issue with outward-opening doors. Just shift the bathroom door so that it doesn’t interfere with the main entrance door.
How is the insulation of the upper floor planned?
Is the utility room also prepared for future expansion? Is the electrical panel large enough? Can all other connections be easily routed upstairs?
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pffreestyler28 Nov 2018 14:06kaho674 schrieb:
How absurd is that? Of course, you need to plan the upper floor if you want to convert it. Whether that happens immediately or in 100 years doesn’t matter. The position of the staircase is crucial and is difficult to move even after 100 years. What knee wall height have you planned?
I would reconsider the door issue as well. You find the rooms too narrow, but it’s okay to block that narrow hallway you run through a thousand times a day with doors? Also not great if someone walks through and suddenly runs into a door. That’s nonsense. The hallway is used much more often than the rooms. It needs to stay clear.
Please, no more discussion about the utility room. I think everyone here has accepted that by now. I know it would have been better to place the stairs under the roof slope, but then the ground floor wouldn’t have fit, and since the stairs are now roughly in the middle, the space on both sides can be used, so that wasn’t a problem for us. I must admit that we quickly put the issue aside. Maybe a mistake.We’re still unsure about the knee wall height. Basically, high enough to fit a bed underneath, but I could also live with a small one. There are nice solutions with shelves, for books, for example. We’re still completely open on that and would choose a knee wall height that best fits the room layout.
Hmm, you’re right about the doors, it could be very annoying and the doors would always have to be closed, which would reduce light in the hallway. We definitely need to rethink that.
Your hint about the ground floor almost prompted me to comment, but I’ll stay quiet.
hanse987 schrieb:
To get an accurate sketch to scale, it helps to place tracing paper over the ground floor drawing and trace the basic dimensions. Alternatively, good old baking paper works too.
With the 10cm (4 inches) floor construction, you forgot the wooden beam. Even with a 10cm (4 inches) build-up, at a 2.5m (8 feet) opening, you only have just over 1.5m (5 feet) of headroom.
I wouldn’t have a problem with outward-opening doors. Just move the bathroom door so it doesn’t interfere with the entrance door.
How is the insulation of the upper floor planned?
Is the utility room prepared for future expansion? Is the electrical panel large enough? Can all other connections be easily routed upstairs? I will measure the staircase opening this evening to get more precise dimensions.The wooden beam ceiling build-up includes plasterboard, counter battens, vapor barrier, 24cm (9.5 inches) of insulation wool, and roof sheathing as tongue and groove boards.
We are having empty conduits installed for electrical and plumbing in the upper floor as well, so the ceiling won’t have to be opened again when it’s converted later. When sizing the equipment and panels, future expansion has been taken into account.
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pffreestyler28 Nov 2018 15:39@Moderation: Thank you for adjusting the thread title. Please add one bedroom to the upper floor in addition to the 2 children's rooms, bathroom, and 1 storage room.
If you are already building, the execution plans for the roof must include a knee wall. You won't get approval without a completed plan. Or what do you mean by
pffreestyler schrieb:
Moinsens,
we are right in the middle of the construction phase.
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pffreestyler28 Nov 2018 16:44No, apparently not in our case. According to our development plan, everything is allowed except for multi-family houses or rental apartments, as long as the total building height does not exceed 9.00 meters (29.5 feet). We could have even built with pink roof tiles and a neon green exterior facade. Currently, we don’t have a knee wall or dwarf wall.
This is how it looks right now.
Or maybe I’m just too dumb and don’t get it right now.
This is how it looks right now.
Or maybe I’m just too dumb and don’t get it right now.
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