ᐅ Planning kitchen appliances: How to approach it. The market is overwhelming.
Created on: 11 Sep 2017 12:34
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G-Star1988
Hello everyone,
I have an appointment at the kitchen studio next Saturday and I’m preparing for it. Specifically, I’m looking for the appliances I want to have later in the kitchen. I’ve been researching a lot from brands like Neff / Siemens, Miele, Bora, etc., but I’m not making much progress.
For example, the current selection at Siemens looks like this:
Dishwasher IQ300 SN636X03MD
Oven IQ700 HB634GBS1
Microwave IQ500 HF15M264
Cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor EX801LX34E
or
2 x Cooktop IQ700 EX375FXB1E with extractor IQ700 LF16VA570
(The cooktop with integrated downdraft is the only fixed requirement, unfortunately I don’t have any influence on that ^^)
I actually value quality, energy efficiency, and a balanced price-performance ratio. But how can I find out if what you pick is really good? Or if there are possibly cheaper but equally high-quality products from other manufacturers. For example, the cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor from Miele—according to the catalog, it’s cheaper but just as good or even better?
How do you approach this?
I have an appointment at the kitchen studio next Saturday and I’m preparing for it. Specifically, I’m looking for the appliances I want to have later in the kitchen. I’ve been researching a lot from brands like Neff / Siemens, Miele, Bora, etc., but I’m not making much progress.
For example, the current selection at Siemens looks like this:
Dishwasher IQ300 SN636X03MD
Oven IQ700 HB634GBS1
Microwave IQ500 HF15M264
Cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor EX801LX34E
or
2 x Cooktop IQ700 EX375FXB1E with extractor IQ700 LF16VA570
(The cooktop with integrated downdraft is the only fixed requirement, unfortunately I don’t have any influence on that ^^)
I actually value quality, energy efficiency, and a balanced price-performance ratio. But how can I find out if what you pick is really good? Or if there are possibly cheaper but equally high-quality products from other manufacturers. For example, the cooktop with integrated downdraft extractor from Miele—according to the catalog, it’s cheaper but just as good or even better?
How do you approach this?
No idea if you meant me because I’m opting for a LIGHT kitchen (by the way, not on credit).
Maybe I should clarify my position. IKEA kitchens are definitely cheaper compared to, for example, the kitchen I chose, but they are not "cheap." They are a solid choice, and I mean that without any arrogance or judgment.
For me, IKEA just didn’t have anything suitable. Our kitchen is the centerpiece of our home, so we had very specific ideas, especially regarding color and texture (Bondi front in carbon gray), which we found there. For us, a flush-mounted sink was important—not only for practical reasons but also for aesthetics. And aesthetics are subjective, often associated with higher, not necessarily economically justifiable prices. This is absolutely not meant as a value judgment. If I came across as arrogant or snobbish, I’m sorry—that definitely wasn’t the intention. On the contrary: everyone has their individual needs and places different values on things—and that’s perfectly fine, right?
I also can’t understand how people spend the equivalent of a piece of land (or more) on a car. I definitely wouldn’t value a car that highly, even though I think, for example, an RS6 Avant is nice. If I had the money, I’d still go for a T2, 3, or 4 and a carbon racing bike with eTap, plus some quality time to enjoy the gear [emoji6].
So, sorry Nordlys if it came across the wrong way.
Maybe I should clarify my position. IKEA kitchens are definitely cheaper compared to, for example, the kitchen I chose, but they are not "cheap." They are a solid choice, and I mean that without any arrogance or judgment.
For me, IKEA just didn’t have anything suitable. Our kitchen is the centerpiece of our home, so we had very specific ideas, especially regarding color and texture (Bondi front in carbon gray), which we found there. For us, a flush-mounted sink was important—not only for practical reasons but also for aesthetics. And aesthetics are subjective, often associated with higher, not necessarily economically justifiable prices. This is absolutely not meant as a value judgment. If I came across as arrogant or snobbish, I’m sorry—that definitely wasn’t the intention. On the contrary: everyone has their individual needs and places different values on things—and that’s perfectly fine, right?
I also can’t understand how people spend the equivalent of a piece of land (or more) on a car. I definitely wouldn’t value a car that highly, even though I think, for example, an RS6 Avant is nice. If I had the money, I’d still go for a T2, 3, or 4 and a carbon racing bike with eTap, plus some quality time to enjoy the gear [emoji6].
So, sorry Nordlys if it came across the wrong way.
Nordlys schrieb:
Phew, what a bunch of nosey judgments... The highlight was the comment that since this is a new construction forum, you should obviously expect people to buy decent furniture. At least, that’s how I remember it. I’m glad I don’t have neighbors like that—our old Twingo wouldn’t even be allowed in the neighborhood, and if there was a Landmann tripod grill on the terrace instead of a Weber gas grill, which of course has to be pure terrazzo, you’d get a serious warning from the block warden.Well, if someone wants to misunderstand and complain, be my guest. No one has to buy decent furniture or anything else here, but if you invest around 500,000 EUR (about $535,000) in a project and then want to save 370 EUR (about $400) on furnishings, it does seem a bit... odd in the end. But everyone is free to do as they please.
ruppsn schrieb:
Let me clearly state my position again. IKEA kitchens are significantly cheaper compared to, for example, the kitchen I chose, but they are not "cheap." They are a solid option, and I say this without any arrogance or judgment. IKEA kitchens are definitely worth the price, don’t get me wrong. However, they are not a magic solution and cannot be compared to higher-end kitchens. But if you’re looking within the IKEA price range, choosing IKEA is perfectly fine. You should also keep in mind that IKEA has a profit margin well over 10%. It’s not like IKEA passes all those savings to customers through extremely efficient processes. No, no – that profit stays with the corporation.
Grym, the point is that you seem to be living in a different world. Saving 370 on furniture when the project costs around 500 doesn’t add up.
Our new build project comes to 280,000 all-inclusive, including the land, garden, paving, kitchen, blinds, indoor and outdoor lighting, and a new washing machine. It’s finalized, fully accounted for, and I live in it—this is not a speculative figure. It also shouldn’t have been much more expensive, since it makes a difference whether the kitchen costs 4,800 or 24,800. It also makes a difference whether an outdoor light costs 100 or 1,000, and so on. Karsten
Our new build project comes to 280,000 all-inclusive, including the land, garden, paving, kitchen, blinds, indoor and outdoor lighting, and a new washing machine. It’s finalized, fully accounted for, and I live in it—this is not a speculative figure. It also shouldn’t have been much more expensive, since it makes a difference whether the kitchen costs 4,800 or 24,800. It also makes a difference whether an outdoor light costs 100 or 1,000, and so on. Karsten
Most people here build a house for 4-5 people, including children and future children. Naturally, your bungalow for 2 will be less expensive, no question. But that cannot be the standard by which I base my answers here. I would estimate that at least 90-95% of the builders here are building larger than you, so for 3 or more people. And for most, the final cost will definitely amount to 400,000 EUR (including everything such as outbuildings, landscaping, fencing, terrace, kitchen, new furniture, moving costs, financing costs during construction, gardening tools, etc.).
It is not about 5,000 or 25,000 EUR. I have calculated the exact same kitchen with the same kitchen units, as far as possible (IKEA is not exactly the same due to their 20cm (8 inch) module system), including installation and, for IKEA, the online price of the appliances plus 50 EUR installation fee per appliance.
IKEA (plus appliances from the internet + 50 EUR installation fee per appliance; assembly service which was strongly criticized by you for quality when provided by IKEA): 15,000 EUR
Nobilia Line N (units, appliances, installation, full warranty): 16,000 EUR
Schüller Handleless (units, appliances, installation, full warranty): 18,000 EUR
The appearance and quality of the fronts are significantly better with Nobilia and Schüller.
It is not about 5,000 or 25,000 EUR. I have calculated the exact same kitchen with the same kitchen units, as far as possible (IKEA is not exactly the same due to their 20cm (8 inch) module system), including installation and, for IKEA, the online price of the appliances plus 50 EUR installation fee per appliance.
IKEA (plus appliances from the internet + 50 EUR installation fee per appliance; assembly service which was strongly criticized by you for quality when provided by IKEA): 15,000 EUR
Nobilia Line N (units, appliances, installation, full warranty): 16,000 EUR
Schüller Handleless (units, appliances, installation, full warranty): 18,000 EUR
The appearance and quality of the fronts are significantly better with Nobilia and Schüller.
I calculated the kitchen cost using IKEA as a reference, including assembly service wherever possible. Only Korbus would have been 150 euros cheaper than IKEA. To really save money, the electrical appliances would have had to be from IKEA.
Our kitchen also includes some extras that aren’t really necessary, like the Berbel Moveline. My husband and I both enjoy cooking a lot. I’m also looking forward to finally having an induction cooktop.
Some of the furniture will be from IKEA. We have a small child at home, and kids use furniture quite differently. I don’t want to get stressed out over spills or chipped paint. There are beautiful IKEA hacks for anyone with some DIY skills. The dining table will be a custom piece made by a carpenter from old barn wood.
Our kitchen also includes some extras that aren’t really necessary, like the Berbel Moveline. My husband and I both enjoy cooking a lot. I’m also looking forward to finally having an induction cooktop.
Some of the furniture will be from IKEA. We have a small child at home, and kids use furniture quite differently. I don’t want to get stressed out over spills or chipped paint. There are beautiful IKEA hacks for anyone with some DIY skills. The dining table will be a custom piece made by a carpenter from old barn wood.
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