ᐅ New Construction or Buying and Renovating a House in Bavaria

Created on: 26 Oct 2023 22:51
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Wo1z3rl
Hello everyone,

I have been a mostly silent reader in this forum for several years. About four years ago, my husband and I moved from the city to the Bavarian countryside, and for the past three years, we have been searching for a suitable property. Unfortunately, we never really found the right one—sometimes we were a day too late, other times the desired property was sold to a neighbor, and so on.

We are a family of four, with two children aged 2 1/2 and 5 years. I work full-time, while my husband is a stay-at-home dad. We have good savings and an additional net income of about 4,500 euros (including child and family allowances but excluding potential bonuses).

Here is the situation: My grandmother owns a plot of land in our town, about 1,200 m² (of which approximately 300 m² is a private road, so around 900 m² could be built on). About a year ago, she offered to transfer this land to us free of charge (to give some context, the standard land value in the new development area is about 135 euros per m²). After talking with my grandmother, I discussed this with the potential heirs—my father and three uncles—and initially, none of them seemed to have any objections. However, at least one uncle appears to have some underlying concerns, as he began discussing my grandmother’s possible will with her (there is none), which she did not appreciate at all.

The plot is located in the center of town and is not subject to a specific development plan but is designated as a mixed-use area in the land-use plan. The neighboring properties mostly consist of pitched-roof houses, ranging from single-family homes to multi-family buildings. In 2003, there was an approved building permit process for a house with a granny flat initiated by one of my uncles, but he eventually decided against building. The floor plans are no longer really up to date (pellet heating with a large tank in the basement, etc.); my uncle showed them to me. To make a long story short, my husband and I decided at that time, after the whole drama (and because I am quite picky and would prefer a south- or west-facing slope), to continue looking for renovation projects instead.

Currently, in our region, only run-down properties are available for at least 250,000 euros, while reasonably decent houses, mostly from the 1980s, cost around 450,000 euros. There have also been new semi-detached houses in the neighboring town priced at 430,000 euros, but these are too small for us (lack of a home office), and the neighboring town is remote with no shops within walking distance.

My father-in-law currently lives in the apartment next to us. If we can afford it, we would like to include him in a granny flat or separate apartment. Most of the older existing properties have very large living spaces of 220-300 m², so it seemed logical and sensible to us to somehow integrate him into the planning. We would of course try to do the same in a new build.

The big question now is whether we should continue looking for a renovation project or seize the opportunity to build on my grandmother’s land? We envision a house with about 160 m² of living space, a 40 m² (430 sq ft) granny flat, and a double carport—all within a budget of about 500,000 euros plus a 10% buffer. According to the rule of thumb of 3,000 euros per m², this seems very tight. :-(

My husband usually has some free time in the mornings, but in my opinion, he lacks significant practical skills, so I would try to subcontract all trades.

I have already compiled a list of construction companies within a radius of about 50 kilometers (30 miles). The issue that concerns me currently is the financial stability or liquidity of these companies: They are usually limited liability companies—how should one assess this as a potential future builder? Would it be better to avoid smaller firms and choose a larger one?

Thank you very much for reading!
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hanghaus2023
4 Nov 2024 11:58
A large part of the plot is mostly a gently sloping terrace.

For me, 18% is already quite steep. Do you have a photo of how your western neighbor built their house?
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Wo1z3rl
4 Nov 2024 15:21
@ypg
Thanks, we are also really looking forward to the beautiful view.
hanghaus2023 schrieb:

"A large part of the plot is mostly a gently sloping terrace."

To me, 18% already seems quite steep. Do you have a photo of how your western neighbor built their house?

Could you please explain how you calculated the 18% for that section? I can’t find sufficient data in the Bavaria Atlas and would like to learn more about this.
I’m currently online via mobile, so I attached screenshots from my phone (Google Street View). In this case, pictures of “all” western neighbors for better understanding.
Picture 1 shows the paved parking spaces of the first houses on the street (I think a developer project), where you can see the ground leveled and stabilized with a retaining structure up to the slope. The house is then built partially on the leveled area and partly into the slope above.
The next neighbor has an ascending driveway but no garage; it looks like they remodeled the entire lot and placed the house on the leveled area. At the rear, I don’t see a retaining wall for the slope, only the next embankment leading to the house above.
The immediate neighbor left the slope beside the street as it is, except for the driveway to the garage where excavation was done. The house also sits on this upper level, and at the back, you can see the slope with a retaining wall.

Does this help you so far?

Edit:
Almost forgot to reply to 11ant. I’m active researching this weekend but not scheduling appointments. I will discuss it with my spouse, and then we’ll gladly get back to you.
Modern white houses on terraced yard with stone walls and stairs

Modern white house facade with terrace, large windows, and green garden.

Modern two-story wooden house exterior with garden and street access

Modern two-story house with wooden facade, carport, and paved driveway

Residential houses on a slope along a winding road, green meadow and blue sky.
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hanghaus2023
4 Nov 2024 16:44
You can already see that in the BayernAtlas.


Satellite image of a plot with yellow parcel boundaries, a red measurement arc, and buildings.


However, that is the original terrain. Any changes made by neighbors or road construction are not taken into account. Do you have the street elevation information from somewhere?
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hanghaus2023
4 Nov 2024 16:55
In the third picture, you can clearly see that the western neighbor to the north has a retaining wall made of L-shaped blocks, which is against the building regulations. However, the excavation for landscaping is probably within the allowed limits. I’m surprised that the building authority allows something like this.

What is your idea of how you want to position the house? Would you prefer the garden to be on the west or east side? Should the house be as tall as possible? Where would you place parking spaces or a garage, and how tall should they be? The neighbor has theirs located far back and deeply recessed.
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Wo1z3rl
7 Nov 2024 23:32
hanghaus2023 schrieb:

This is just the original terrain. So any changes made by neighbors or road construction have not been taken into account. Do you have the street elevation from somewhere?
Unfortunately, no. We will need to have the site surveyed, or I can ask the local authority about the street level. The notary appointment is scheduled for around the first week of December.
hanghaus2023 schrieb:

In the third picture, you can clearly see that the western neighbor on the north side has a retaining wall made of L-shaped blocks. This is contrary to the development plan. However, the excavation for landscaping is probably within the allowed limits. I'm surprised the building authority allows something like that.

What are your plans for placing the house? Would you prefer the garden on the west side or the east? Do you want the house to be as tall as possible? Where and how high would parking spaces or a garage be? The neighbor’s garage is located far back and dug in quite deep.
Yes, the neighbor has apparently taken a few liberties, in a bit of a “Pippi Longstocking” style.

We would place the garage towards the neighbor’s side, but lower down. The house would rather be positioned as high up as possible. A split-level design would make sense, probably something like the rough sketch I doodled.
Schematic building section: left children’s rooms and right living areas, stair steps.
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hanghaus2023
8 Nov 2024 10:38
Split level construction is expensive and not necessary here.