ᐅ New Construction or Buying and Renovating a House in Bavaria

Created on: 26 Oct 2023 22:51
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Wo1z3rl
Hello everyone,

I have been a mostly silent reader in this forum for several years. About four years ago, my husband and I moved from the city to the Bavarian countryside, and for the past three years, we have been searching for a suitable property. Unfortunately, we never really found the right one—sometimes we were a day too late, other times the desired property was sold to a neighbor, and so on.

We are a family of four, with two children aged 2 1/2 and 5 years. I work full-time, while my husband is a stay-at-home dad. We have good savings and an additional net income of about 4,500 euros (including child and family allowances but excluding potential bonuses).

Here is the situation: My grandmother owns a plot of land in our town, about 1,200 m² (of which approximately 300 m² is a private road, so around 900 m² could be built on). About a year ago, she offered to transfer this land to us free of charge (to give some context, the standard land value in the new development area is about 135 euros per m²). After talking with my grandmother, I discussed this with the potential heirs—my father and three uncles—and initially, none of them seemed to have any objections. However, at least one uncle appears to have some underlying concerns, as he began discussing my grandmother’s possible will with her (there is none), which she did not appreciate at all.

The plot is located in the center of town and is not subject to a specific development plan but is designated as a mixed-use area in the land-use plan. The neighboring properties mostly consist of pitched-roof houses, ranging from single-family homes to multi-family buildings. In 2003, there was an approved building permit process for a house with a granny flat initiated by one of my uncles, but he eventually decided against building. The floor plans are no longer really up to date (pellet heating with a large tank in the basement, etc.); my uncle showed them to me. To make a long story short, my husband and I decided at that time, after the whole drama (and because I am quite picky and would prefer a south- or west-facing slope), to continue looking for renovation projects instead.

Currently, in our region, only run-down properties are available for at least 250,000 euros, while reasonably decent houses, mostly from the 1980s, cost around 450,000 euros. There have also been new semi-detached houses in the neighboring town priced at 430,000 euros, but these are too small for us (lack of a home office), and the neighboring town is remote with no shops within walking distance.

My father-in-law currently lives in the apartment next to us. If we can afford it, we would like to include him in a granny flat or separate apartment. Most of the older existing properties have very large living spaces of 220-300 m², so it seemed logical and sensible to us to somehow integrate him into the planning. We would of course try to do the same in a new build.

The big question now is whether we should continue looking for a renovation project or seize the opportunity to build on my grandmother’s land? We envision a house with about 160 m² of living space, a 40 m² (430 sq ft) granny flat, and a double carport—all within a budget of about 500,000 euros plus a 10% buffer. According to the rule of thumb of 3,000 euros per m², this seems very tight. :-(

My husband usually has some free time in the mornings, but in my opinion, he lacks significant practical skills, so I would try to subcontract all trades.

I have already compiled a list of construction companies within a radius of about 50 kilometers (30 miles). The issue that concerns me currently is the financial stability or liquidity of these companies: They are usually limited liability companies—how should one assess this as a potential future builder? Would it be better to avoid smaller firms and choose a larger one?

Thank you very much for reading!
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hanghaus2023
8 Nov 2024 11:59
In my opinion, it’s also possible without a basement. The lot here is 22m (72 feet) wide and the building area is 16m (52 feet).

blue: original terrain
green: modeled terrain

Diagramm mit zwei grauen Gebäuden links und rechts, blaue und grüne Linien dazwischen.


I looked at it again. It actually works better this way since the volume is reduced by a quarter.

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The roof is a bit flatter so the children can still have a good view outside.
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Wo1z3rl
9 Nov 2024 11:27
Amazing, thanks for the visualization/modeling @hanghaus2023

I’m happy to upload the original sketches of the preliminary design so you can see that the site has been well taken into account.
The dropped ceiling in the child’s room was just an example to show that storage space could be created here (or in the garage ceiling). The pantry was a suggestion added later, but I’m not sure if we will actually need it; it wasn’t really a requirement in the program brief.
Sketch of a house on a slope with a pitched roof; kitchen and living room marked.

Sketch of a ground floor plan with living room, dining, kitchen, hallway, WC, and master bedroom.

Floor plan sketch: bathroom on the left, child 1 on top, child 2 on bottom, stairs/hallway on the right, upper floor
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hanghaus2023
9 Nov 2024 11:27
Here is a proposal with approximately 140 m2 (1507 sq ft) of living space

Diagram of a house: floor plan with basement, living room, children’s room, bedroom, and roof lines.


The basement includes a utility room, guest room/office, toilet with shower, entrance, cloakroom, storage, and garage

House dimensions: 11 x 8.5 m (36 x 28 ft)

It might be possible to reduce the size by a few square meters.
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hanghaus2023
9 Nov 2024 11:57
Do you really want to live in the north? Right next to the houses above?

If that’s truly what you want, the house should be positioned closer to the street to at least have some garden space on the north side.

Tell me what you like and don’t like about the design.

I have the entrance at the bottom and the same number of stairs up to the living room.

Before we continue here, I recommend starting a new thread and filling out the questionnaire. Please complete it as thoroughly as possible.

https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-planung-unbedingt-vor-beitrag-erstellung-lesen.11714/
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hanghaus2023
9 Nov 2024 13:44
With the boundary garage, the architect cannot maintain the ridge direction.

Your plot is large enough and does not actually require the boundary development.
11ant9 Nov 2024 14:57
Wo1z3rl schrieb:

Edit: Almost forgot to reply to 11ant. I’ll be researching over the weekend but not scheduling any appointments. I’ll coordinate with my partner and then we’ll get back to you gladly.

I’m glad to hear that, and now it’s already the weekend again. By the way, I’m also available until 8 p.m. on Saturdays.
Wo1z3rl schrieb:

I’m happy to upload the original sketches of the preliminary design,

That’s pretty much the style of my own rough sketches as well (except I usually use a ballpoint pen). Architects tend to draw without worrying about making it look like traditional draughtsman’s drawings.
Wo1z3rl schrieb:

The pantry was a suggestion added later, but I’m not sure if we’ll actually need it; at least it wasn’t a requirement in the spatial program.

I have two Aldis, Lidls, and Nettos within cycling distance, as well as a Kaufland and a REWE within walking distance. Still, I wouldn’t want to do without nearby kitchen storage (in my case, in the basement, so I have to use the stairs).
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