ᐅ New Construction or Buying and Renovating a House in Bavaria
Created on: 26 Oct 2023 22:51
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Wo1z3rl
Hello everyone,
I have been a mostly silent reader in this forum for several years. About four years ago, my husband and I moved from the city to the Bavarian countryside, and for the past three years, we have been searching for a suitable property. Unfortunately, we never really found the right one—sometimes we were a day too late, other times the desired property was sold to a neighbor, and so on.
We are a family of four, with two children aged 2 1/2 and 5 years. I work full-time, while my husband is a stay-at-home dad. We have good savings and an additional net income of about 4,500 euros (including child and family allowances but excluding potential bonuses).
Here is the situation: My grandmother owns a plot of land in our town, about 1,200 m² (of which approximately 300 m² is a private road, so around 900 m² could be built on). About a year ago, she offered to transfer this land to us free of charge (to give some context, the standard land value in the new development area is about 135 euros per m²). After talking with my grandmother, I discussed this with the potential heirs—my father and three uncles—and initially, none of them seemed to have any objections. However, at least one uncle appears to have some underlying concerns, as he began discussing my grandmother’s possible will with her (there is none), which she did not appreciate at all.
The plot is located in the center of town and is not subject to a specific development plan but is designated as a mixed-use area in the land-use plan. The neighboring properties mostly consist of pitched-roof houses, ranging from single-family homes to multi-family buildings. In 2003, there was an approved building permit process for a house with a granny flat initiated by one of my uncles, but he eventually decided against building. The floor plans are no longer really up to date (pellet heating with a large tank in the basement, etc.); my uncle showed them to me. To make a long story short, my husband and I decided at that time, after the whole drama (and because I am quite picky and would prefer a south- or west-facing slope), to continue looking for renovation projects instead.
Currently, in our region, only run-down properties are available for at least 250,000 euros, while reasonably decent houses, mostly from the 1980s, cost around 450,000 euros. There have also been new semi-detached houses in the neighboring town priced at 430,000 euros, but these are too small for us (lack of a home office), and the neighboring town is remote with no shops within walking distance.
My father-in-law currently lives in the apartment next to us. If we can afford it, we would like to include him in a granny flat or separate apartment. Most of the older existing properties have very large living spaces of 220-300 m², so it seemed logical and sensible to us to somehow integrate him into the planning. We would of course try to do the same in a new build.
The big question now is whether we should continue looking for a renovation project or seize the opportunity to build on my grandmother’s land? We envision a house with about 160 m² of living space, a 40 m² (430 sq ft) granny flat, and a double carport—all within a budget of about 500,000 euros plus a 10% buffer. According to the rule of thumb of 3,000 euros per m², this seems very tight. :-(
My husband usually has some free time in the mornings, but in my opinion, he lacks significant practical skills, so I would try to subcontract all trades.
I have already compiled a list of construction companies within a radius of about 50 kilometers (30 miles). The issue that concerns me currently is the financial stability or liquidity of these companies: They are usually limited liability companies—how should one assess this as a potential future builder? Would it be better to avoid smaller firms and choose a larger one?
Thank you very much for reading!
I have been a mostly silent reader in this forum for several years. About four years ago, my husband and I moved from the city to the Bavarian countryside, and for the past three years, we have been searching for a suitable property. Unfortunately, we never really found the right one—sometimes we were a day too late, other times the desired property was sold to a neighbor, and so on.
We are a family of four, with two children aged 2 1/2 and 5 years. I work full-time, while my husband is a stay-at-home dad. We have good savings and an additional net income of about 4,500 euros (including child and family allowances but excluding potential bonuses).
Here is the situation: My grandmother owns a plot of land in our town, about 1,200 m² (of which approximately 300 m² is a private road, so around 900 m² could be built on). About a year ago, she offered to transfer this land to us free of charge (to give some context, the standard land value in the new development area is about 135 euros per m²). After talking with my grandmother, I discussed this with the potential heirs—my father and three uncles—and initially, none of them seemed to have any objections. However, at least one uncle appears to have some underlying concerns, as he began discussing my grandmother’s possible will with her (there is none), which she did not appreciate at all.
The plot is located in the center of town and is not subject to a specific development plan but is designated as a mixed-use area in the land-use plan. The neighboring properties mostly consist of pitched-roof houses, ranging from single-family homes to multi-family buildings. In 2003, there was an approved building permit process for a house with a granny flat initiated by one of my uncles, but he eventually decided against building. The floor plans are no longer really up to date (pellet heating with a large tank in the basement, etc.); my uncle showed them to me. To make a long story short, my husband and I decided at that time, after the whole drama (and because I am quite picky and would prefer a south- or west-facing slope), to continue looking for renovation projects instead.
Currently, in our region, only run-down properties are available for at least 250,000 euros, while reasonably decent houses, mostly from the 1980s, cost around 450,000 euros. There have also been new semi-detached houses in the neighboring town priced at 430,000 euros, but these are too small for us (lack of a home office), and the neighboring town is remote with no shops within walking distance.
My father-in-law currently lives in the apartment next to us. If we can afford it, we would like to include him in a granny flat or separate apartment. Most of the older existing properties have very large living spaces of 220-300 m², so it seemed logical and sensible to us to somehow integrate him into the planning. We would of course try to do the same in a new build.
The big question now is whether we should continue looking for a renovation project or seize the opportunity to build on my grandmother’s land? We envision a house with about 160 m² of living space, a 40 m² (430 sq ft) granny flat, and a double carport—all within a budget of about 500,000 euros plus a 10% buffer. According to the rule of thumb of 3,000 euros per m², this seems very tight. :-(
My husband usually has some free time in the mornings, but in my opinion, he lacks significant practical skills, so I would try to subcontract all trades.
I have already compiled a list of construction companies within a radius of about 50 kilometers (30 miles). The issue that concerns me currently is the financial stability or liquidity of these companies: They are usually limited liability companies—how should one assess this as a potential future builder? Would it be better to avoid smaller firms and choose a larger one?
Thank you very much for reading!
Wo1z3rl schrieb:
The €550,000 (about $600,000) is our planned budget for the home, without needing to involve a financial planner. Assuming that an accessory dwelling unit (ADU) can reasonably be included in our construction plans, my father-in-law could potentially contribute the additional costs by selling his current (not barrier-free and too large) apartment. We were actually close to buying an existing property, and in that case, he would have moved in without hesitation and shared the renovation costs.First, I would take stock of the finances. That means: how much liquid funds do you and your father have available for the house build (or purchase). Then have a non-binding discussion with an advisor (or your main bank) about what kind of loan would be possible. The land isn’t free either; the heirs will need to be paid out.Often, people don’t really understand what’s feasible or, conversely, what isn’t possible.
After that, I would consider the next steps.
Wo1z3rl schrieb:
We have good savings and an additional net income of about €4,500 (about $5,000),Your financial situation isn’t entirely clear to me—does your husband earn nothing? And do you have the €550,000 (about $600,000) in cash? Or is that your assumption based on financing available through loans?
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hanghaus202327 Oct 2023 11:07ypg schrieb:
The plot is not free either; the heirs need to be paid out. So far, I have not read anything about an inheritance case.
hanghaus2023 schrieb:
So far, I haven’t read anything about an inheritance case. Here it is. And more...
Wo1z3rl schrieb:
After talking with my grandmother, I spoke with the potential heirs—that is, my father and my three uncles—and at first, none of them seemed to have an issue. However, at least one uncle appears to have some underlying concerns, as he started discussing my grandmother’s possible will (there isn’t one) with her, which she definitely did not appreciate. Regarding inheritance, my grandmother is still alive! After her offer, I directly asked her sons—my father and his three brothers—for their approval.
hanghaus2023 schrieb:Gift tax should not apply; the property value is likely below the exemption limit. The other costs of course still apply, possibly also fees for a valuation report. There is of course a possibility that after my grandmother passes away, contrary to the statements of one or more of my uncles, they might claim the property. In that case, depending on the time passed since the gift, we would have to pay proportional shares.
If your grandmother is giving it to you that easily, that’s good. But in my opinion, it won’t be entirely free. (Gift tax, property transfer tax, notary, land registry, development costs, etc.)
ypg schrieb:Yes, my husband is a stay-at-home dad, and yes, the €550,000 (about $590,000) are assets available in the short term.
Your financial situation isn’t entirely clear to me—is your husband not earning anything? And do you have €550,000 (about $590,000) in liquid assets? Or would you assume that you could access this amount through credit?
Wo1z3rl schrieb:
My husband is a stay-at-home dad and yes, the 550,000 euros are liquid assets available in the short term.Hardly anyone here can demonstrate that much equity. Most people here take out a loan for that amount!!!… and you have 4,300 euros available.
Okay, assuming for now that you would receive the plot of land as a gift (Plan B would be buying the land from grandma… but for me, that would actually be Plan A, since then you are on the safe side and can plan better).
What is stopping you from borrowing 150,000 euros for under 1,000 euros and using the money from your dad for the granny flat to build the house?
Wo1z3rl schrieb:
Thank you for your detailed post. Unfortunately, we don’t have anyone in our family or circle of acquaintances who has built with an architect in the last twenty years. So far, I have found a lady for this purpose, What kind of lady – a client or an architect?
Wo1z3rl schrieb:
Regarding the construction companies: We already live fairly rurally (Lower Bavaria), and within a 20 km (12 miles) radius, the selection is quite limited. Therefore, I have initially considered companies recommended by acquaintances and coworkers, even if they are located a few kilometers (miles) further away. Recommendations from close acquaintances who have personally built with these companies are valuable – I was just concerned from experience that you might have chosen the large radius only for the sake of a longer list. Recommendations from distant contacts (friends of brothers-in-law of club members who only happened to go to school with one of the company’s employees), however, I would disregard regardless of how close they are.
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