ᐅ New Construction or Buying and Renovating a House in Bavaria

Created on: 26 Oct 2023 22:51
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Wo1z3rl
Hello everyone,

I have been a mostly silent reader in this forum for several years. About four years ago, my husband and I moved from the city to the Bavarian countryside, and for the past three years, we have been searching for a suitable property. Unfortunately, we never really found the right one—sometimes we were a day too late, other times the desired property was sold to a neighbor, and so on.

We are a family of four, with two children aged 2 1/2 and 5 years. I work full-time, while my husband is a stay-at-home dad. We have good savings and an additional net income of about 4,500 euros (including child and family allowances but excluding potential bonuses).

Here is the situation: My grandmother owns a plot of land in our town, about 1,200 m² (of which approximately 300 m² is a private road, so around 900 m² could be built on). About a year ago, she offered to transfer this land to us free of charge (to give some context, the standard land value in the new development area is about 135 euros per m²). After talking with my grandmother, I discussed this with the potential heirs—my father and three uncles—and initially, none of them seemed to have any objections. However, at least one uncle appears to have some underlying concerns, as he began discussing my grandmother’s possible will with her (there is none), which she did not appreciate at all.

The plot is located in the center of town and is not subject to a specific development plan but is designated as a mixed-use area in the land-use plan. The neighboring properties mostly consist of pitched-roof houses, ranging from single-family homes to multi-family buildings. In 2003, there was an approved building permit process for a house with a granny flat initiated by one of my uncles, but he eventually decided against building. The floor plans are no longer really up to date (pellet heating with a large tank in the basement, etc.); my uncle showed them to me. To make a long story short, my husband and I decided at that time, after the whole drama (and because I am quite picky and would prefer a south- or west-facing slope), to continue looking for renovation projects instead.

Currently, in our region, only run-down properties are available for at least 250,000 euros, while reasonably decent houses, mostly from the 1980s, cost around 450,000 euros. There have also been new semi-detached houses in the neighboring town priced at 430,000 euros, but these are too small for us (lack of a home office), and the neighboring town is remote with no shops within walking distance.

My father-in-law currently lives in the apartment next to us. If we can afford it, we would like to include him in a granny flat or separate apartment. Most of the older existing properties have very large living spaces of 220-300 m², so it seemed logical and sensible to us to somehow integrate him into the planning. We would of course try to do the same in a new build.

The big question now is whether we should continue looking for a renovation project or seize the opportunity to build on my grandmother’s land? We envision a house with about 160 m² of living space, a 40 m² (430 sq ft) granny flat, and a double carport—all within a budget of about 500,000 euros plus a 10% buffer. According to the rule of thumb of 3,000 euros per m², this seems very tight. :-(

My husband usually has some free time in the mornings, but in my opinion, he lacks significant practical skills, so I would try to subcontract all trades.

I have already compiled a list of construction companies within a radius of about 50 kilometers (30 miles). The issue that concerns me currently is the financial stability or liquidity of these companies: They are usually limited liability companies—how should one assess this as a potential future builder? Would it be better to avoid smaller firms and choose a larger one?

Thank you very much for reading!
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Wo1z3rl
12 Feb 2024 19:31
Yes, I believe that impression is accurate—a displaced family who initially lived in temporary housing and then, years later, acquired a building plot to construct their own house. Everything was quite decent, and materials were already available at that time.

Today we gave our purchase commitment, so now the ball is in the seller’s court. She was surprised that so many people are interested and want to visit the property, and she wants to wait for these viewing appointments.

Let’s hope it doesn’t go to a bidding process, or that we are chosen as the “first” buyers and as a family with two children (plus from the local area).
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ypg
12 Feb 2024 20:50
Wo1z3rl schrieb:

found on Immowelt under /expose/3f535178-6699-4215-a555-73ad9e2174e5
Unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that, at least not on mobile. Could you please provide the location and key details of the listing? Then we can take a look ourselves.
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WilderSueden
12 Feb 2024 21:01
You can simply enter the ID in the search. However, the listing doesn't provide much information, and there are no interior photos either.
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Wo1z3rl
13 Feb 2024 17:44
Did the approach described by WilderSueden work, ypg?

I have to admit, it feels really uncomfortable to be sitting here on “hot coals” not knowing how things will proceed or when we’ll get any feedback. Should I send the purchase offer again in writing via Immowelt or by phone?

Basically, I would have waited until Sunday to follow up, since the other viewings will probably take place over the weekend.
However, I’m not sure what the seller is hoping for — it seems likely that she is aiming for a higher price or perhaps some kind of bidding process. She doesn’t conduct the viewings herself; a neighbor does that, so she doesn’t actually know the interested buyers. Choosing based on personal sympathy would be difficult in that case. What do you think?
11ant13 Feb 2024 18:05
Wo1z3rl schrieb:

I’m also not sure what the seller hopes to gain from this – it can only be about more money or a potential bidding process, right? The lady doesn’t conduct the viewings herself, a neighbor does, so she doesn’t actually know the interested buyers. Choosing based on sympathy seems difficult to me.

Why doesn’t the seller handle this herself, and what makes her think the neighbor is suitable?
The only reason I can see that she even wants to see additional interested parties under these conditions is that the visitors who came after you (maybe simply because of their number) made her believe she’s sitting on a gold mine.
I would cut her off sharply: “Business with me only personally on site, and if I want to haggle, I go to a market – it’s binding or not at all, and no middlemen from one to another; a witness present is fine, but no assistant instead.” We’re talking real money here, and you’re a buyer, not a fool. Be glad if you let any bad deals pass you by. Business can be fun – but only if seriousness remains the priority. The seriousness, not the mess. I’m open to reasonable price discussions, but I won’t be played with!
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K a t j a14 Feb 2024 07:21
That's ridiculous. If buyers are lining up, such an arrogant candidate is immediately out. And yes, of course, the neighbor has the greatest interest in ensuring that no undesirable tenants move in next door.
The seller gave him her trust, for whatever reason. If you make such a decision, you don’t want to argue about it with the umpteenth interested buyer. Accept it or move on.