ᐅ New Construction or Buying and Renovating a House in Bavaria
Created on: 26 Oct 2023 22:51
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Hello everyone,
I have been a mostly silent reader in this forum for several years. About four years ago, my husband and I moved from the city to the Bavarian countryside, and for the past three years, we have been searching for a suitable property. Unfortunately, we never really found the right one—sometimes we were a day too late, other times the desired property was sold to a neighbor, and so on.
We are a family of four, with two children aged 2 1/2 and 5 years. I work full-time, while my husband is a stay-at-home dad. We have good savings and an additional net income of about 4,500 euros (including child and family allowances but excluding potential bonuses).
Here is the situation: My grandmother owns a plot of land in our town, about 1,200 m² (of which approximately 300 m² is a private road, so around 900 m² could be built on). About a year ago, she offered to transfer this land to us free of charge (to give some context, the standard land value in the new development area is about 135 euros per m²). After talking with my grandmother, I discussed this with the potential heirs—my father and three uncles—and initially, none of them seemed to have any objections. However, at least one uncle appears to have some underlying concerns, as he began discussing my grandmother’s possible will with her (there is none), which she did not appreciate at all.
The plot is located in the center of town and is not subject to a specific development plan but is designated as a mixed-use area in the land-use plan. The neighboring properties mostly consist of pitched-roof houses, ranging from single-family homes to multi-family buildings. In 2003, there was an approved building permit process for a house with a granny flat initiated by one of my uncles, but he eventually decided against building. The floor plans are no longer really up to date (pellet heating with a large tank in the basement, etc.); my uncle showed them to me. To make a long story short, my husband and I decided at that time, after the whole drama (and because I am quite picky and would prefer a south- or west-facing slope), to continue looking for renovation projects instead.
Currently, in our region, only run-down properties are available for at least 250,000 euros, while reasonably decent houses, mostly from the 1980s, cost around 450,000 euros. There have also been new semi-detached houses in the neighboring town priced at 430,000 euros, but these are too small for us (lack of a home office), and the neighboring town is remote with no shops within walking distance.
My father-in-law currently lives in the apartment next to us. If we can afford it, we would like to include him in a granny flat or separate apartment. Most of the older existing properties have very large living spaces of 220-300 m², so it seemed logical and sensible to us to somehow integrate him into the planning. We would of course try to do the same in a new build.
The big question now is whether we should continue looking for a renovation project or seize the opportunity to build on my grandmother’s land? We envision a house with about 160 m² of living space, a 40 m² (430 sq ft) granny flat, and a double carport—all within a budget of about 500,000 euros plus a 10% buffer. According to the rule of thumb of 3,000 euros per m², this seems very tight. :-(
My husband usually has some free time in the mornings, but in my opinion, he lacks significant practical skills, so I would try to subcontract all trades.
I have already compiled a list of construction companies within a radius of about 50 kilometers (30 miles). The issue that concerns me currently is the financial stability or liquidity of these companies: They are usually limited liability companies—how should one assess this as a potential future builder? Would it be better to avoid smaller firms and choose a larger one?
Thank you very much for reading!
I have been a mostly silent reader in this forum for several years. About four years ago, my husband and I moved from the city to the Bavarian countryside, and for the past three years, we have been searching for a suitable property. Unfortunately, we never really found the right one—sometimes we were a day too late, other times the desired property was sold to a neighbor, and so on.
We are a family of four, with two children aged 2 1/2 and 5 years. I work full-time, while my husband is a stay-at-home dad. We have good savings and an additional net income of about 4,500 euros (including child and family allowances but excluding potential bonuses).
Here is the situation: My grandmother owns a plot of land in our town, about 1,200 m² (of which approximately 300 m² is a private road, so around 900 m² could be built on). About a year ago, she offered to transfer this land to us free of charge (to give some context, the standard land value in the new development area is about 135 euros per m²). After talking with my grandmother, I discussed this with the potential heirs—my father and three uncles—and initially, none of them seemed to have any objections. However, at least one uncle appears to have some underlying concerns, as he began discussing my grandmother’s possible will with her (there is none), which she did not appreciate at all.
The plot is located in the center of town and is not subject to a specific development plan but is designated as a mixed-use area in the land-use plan. The neighboring properties mostly consist of pitched-roof houses, ranging from single-family homes to multi-family buildings. In 2003, there was an approved building permit process for a house with a granny flat initiated by one of my uncles, but he eventually decided against building. The floor plans are no longer really up to date (pellet heating with a large tank in the basement, etc.); my uncle showed them to me. To make a long story short, my husband and I decided at that time, after the whole drama (and because I am quite picky and would prefer a south- or west-facing slope), to continue looking for renovation projects instead.
Currently, in our region, only run-down properties are available for at least 250,000 euros, while reasonably decent houses, mostly from the 1980s, cost around 450,000 euros. There have also been new semi-detached houses in the neighboring town priced at 430,000 euros, but these are too small for us (lack of a home office), and the neighboring town is remote with no shops within walking distance.
My father-in-law currently lives in the apartment next to us. If we can afford it, we would like to include him in a granny flat or separate apartment. Most of the older existing properties have very large living spaces of 220-300 m², so it seemed logical and sensible to us to somehow integrate him into the planning. We would of course try to do the same in a new build.
The big question now is whether we should continue looking for a renovation project or seize the opportunity to build on my grandmother’s land? We envision a house with about 160 m² of living space, a 40 m² (430 sq ft) granny flat, and a double carport—all within a budget of about 500,000 euros plus a 10% buffer. According to the rule of thumb of 3,000 euros per m², this seems very tight. :-(
My husband usually has some free time in the mornings, but in my opinion, he lacks significant practical skills, so I would try to subcontract all trades.
I have already compiled a list of construction companies within a radius of about 50 kilometers (30 miles). The issue that concerns me currently is the financial stability or liquidity of these companies: They are usually limited liability companies—how should one assess this as a potential future builder? Would it be better to avoid smaller firms and choose a larger one?
Thank you very much for reading!
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WilderSueden28 Oct 2023 12:5011ant schrieb:
That sounds to me like a contradiction to what you said earlier in the same post...I don’t see any contradiction there. A new build is more expensive than an older property. But then you are basically comparing apples and oranges. With an older property, there is a risk of underestimating renovation needs and postponing necessary expenses. If you try to bring both houses to a roughly equal standard, there is hardly anything left of the original older property, and the costs can easily get out of control. With a budget of 100,000 and solid building condition, of course you can consider the existing house as a shell to work with.
WilderSueden schrieb:
I don’t see a contradiction there. A new build is more expensive than an older house. But then you are basically comparing apples and oranges. Exactly: a new build is only more expensive than an older house if you reasonably limit yourself to upgrading the older house to around the year 2000 standard. If you renovate the older house to the level of 2010 or even 2023, economically the new build comes out ahead. As a sort of reverse conclusion, new build owners could take to heart that there is also significant saving potential in a new build by avoiding the very latest trends. The price for a 140 m² (1,507 sq ft) single-family home is only enough for 110 m² (1,184 sq ft) if you want to upgrade to a superior advanced smart home.
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HeimatBauer schrieb:
Yes, of course it is unusual to take out a loan for a six-figure amount for the first time – and to be honest, I’m glad there are still people who think first and then spend money. I have lived my whole life by the principle "I only buy things I want with money I actually have" – but with a house, it’s definitely different. [...]
You also have to explain a lot, for example: the mortgage loan is a very privileged type of loan. It offers interest rates so low that you can almost consider financing the entire house and investing your equity elsewhere. There are also many grants available for homebuilding; repayment subsidies have already been mentioned. So: even for those who (rightly!) generally have an aversion to loans, a mortgage loan is absolutely acceptable. That is why I do not recommend taking out a loan for the full amount of the “turnkey” construction costs (and especially not with the idea of putting your equity to work at the horse races or something similar). Instead, work with a financial advisor to design the loan amount around the repayment subsidies (for a house that is neither oversized nor over-specified). This approach builds wealth far more effectively than a homeowner could achieve by juggling housework and family responsibilities while trying to day trade.
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I’m bringing up my own thread again. In the meantime, we visited some building plots, but unfortunately, none of them were suitable. Additionally, I was ill for quite a while and extremely busy with work, so the search was completely on hold at times.
There haven’t been any interesting offers on existing properties for a while now, but that changed this week. We took action immediately and now have a viewing appointment scheduled for Wednesday.
Maybe you’d like to take a look at the property with me. What stands out to me, of course, is that there’s a lot of DIY involved, and the KfW 55 standard and energy efficiency class E don’t really seem to match. Also, there are still some unfinished areas.
Otherwise, although it’s not my planned building style, it fits well with the character of our area here, so I’m curious to see how it looks in person.
The listing can be found on several portals under “Traditional-modern and practically like new – single-family house near Drachselsried.”
And no, we don’t have a carpentry workshop, but the extension could also be used as a garage with storage space. 😉
There haven’t been any interesting offers on existing properties for a while now, but that changed this week. We took action immediately and now have a viewing appointment scheduled for Wednesday.
Maybe you’d like to take a look at the property with me. What stands out to me, of course, is that there’s a lot of DIY involved, and the KfW 55 standard and energy efficiency class E don’t really seem to match. Also, there are still some unfinished areas.
Otherwise, although it’s not my planned building style, it fits well with the character of our area here, so I’m curious to see how it looks in person.
The listing can be found on several portals under “Traditional-modern and practically like new – single-family house near Drachselsried.”
And no, we don’t have a carpentry workshop, but the extension could also be used as a garage with storage space. 😉
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hanghaus202311 Jan 2024 19:18Is the carpentry (tools) included?
Do you prefer it that way in the countryside?
It’s less ideal that real estate agents rarely show the floor plans.
Do you prefer it that way in the countryside?
It’s less ideal that real estate agents rarely show the floor plans.
The location is okay; by now we are used to country life (you really need two vehicles here anyway). We’ll have to see how much noise from the main road can be heard. The neighborhood composition is also something to consider (are there children of similar age, etc.). Many former kindergarten friends of our eldest attend the Montessori primary school there, which could be a way to make connections.
The house is about a 15-minute drive from our current home.
We’ll need to clarify on site exactly what interior furnishings/tools might be included. I assume they are not included in the price.
The property listing from the savings bank includes floor plans; I took a screenshot.

The house is about a 15-minute drive from our current home.
We’ll need to clarify on site exactly what interior furnishings/tools might be included. I assume they are not included in the price.
The property listing from the savings bank includes floor plans; I took a screenshot.
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