ᐅ New Build: About 280 m² Plus Basement – Your Suggestions
Created on: 15 Jan 2021 13:06
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Pfalzpaulianer
Hello everyone,
Thank you again for your suggestions and feedback on our initial draft. The architect has put in a lot of effort, and we are now almost ready to submit the building permit / planning permission application. Here is the nearly final version. We appreciate your opinions, thoughts, and suggestions.
Attached is the questionnaire
Development plan / restrictions: Paragraph 34, according to neighboring buildings
Plot size: 709 sqm (currently with an old structure - demolition in progress)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio (FAR): n.a.
Site coverage ratio: n.a.
Building setback, building line, and plot boundaries: 3 m (10 feet)
Edge development
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: 2
Roof style: gable roof
Architectural style: modern house with classic Palatinate elements (wooden tile roof, sandstone features, shutters)
Orientation: south
Maximum height / limits: according to neighboring buildings
Homeowners’ requirements: The wonderful view of the vineyards (to the north) should be considered in the floor plan.
Style, roof shape, building type: Since our plot is located in a wine village, we want a new building with classic Palatinate style elements, but without looking kitschy or outdated.
Basement, floors (full or partial basement, 2 full floors plus attic)
Number of occupants, age: 5 (41, 40, and 3 children aged 13, 9, 9)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Large living and dining area on the ground floor (space for a piano), bathroom and TV room on the ground floor (can also serve as a bedroom for possible care needs of relatives)
1st floor: parents’ area including dressing room and bathroom, man’s home office, guest room / office
2nd floor: children’s area with 3 bedrooms and children’s bathroom
Office: family use or home office: two home offices
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: mix
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 12
Fireplace: yes, Swedish round-tiled stove
Music / stereo wall: no, TV room on 1st floor (guest room)
Balcony, roof terrace: roof terrace above double garage with vineyard view
Garage, carport: double garage
House design
Planned by: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Separate parents’ and children’s areas, roof terrace with a wonderful view of the vineyards also from the home office, separate TV room, open kitchen with spacious living and dining area, seating area in the gallery on 1st and 2nd floors
What do you not like? Why? Window sizes on the 1st floor still need final planning, probably slightly larger. We do not really like the round windows (extension and north side). Do you have alternative ideas that would suit the house?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: initial estimate about 900,000 including additional costs (excluding garden)
Personal price limit for house including fittings: 900,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump with cooling function
[If you had to compromise, on which details / fittings? Full basement (this is a cost issue because the current house has a basement and must be demolished; a partial basement is planned, and depending on the cost of backfilling, a full basement might also be an option.)
- Could you go without: large master bedroom, children’s bathroom in the attic can be smaller
- Could not go without: children’s floor with children’s bathroom, roof terrace, large dressing room
Why has the design turned out as it is? Many discussions with the architect. It is important to us that the house does not look standard from the outside. More expensive, but planned for that. For example, shutters and sandstone elements.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Separate parents’ and children’s areas
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
Great: separate areas, spacious living and dining room
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Children’s bathroom with separate toilet to reduce morning congestion for the three schoolchildren?
Ideas for exterior views?
Enjoy looking through this, and thank you very much for your help.
Thank you again for your suggestions and feedback on our initial draft. The architect has put in a lot of effort, and we are now almost ready to submit the building permit / planning permission application. Here is the nearly final version. We appreciate your opinions, thoughts, and suggestions.
Attached is the questionnaire
Development plan / restrictions: Paragraph 34, according to neighboring buildings
Plot size: 709 sqm (currently with an old structure - demolition in progress)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio (FAR): n.a.
Site coverage ratio: n.a.
Building setback, building line, and plot boundaries: 3 m (10 feet)
Edge development
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: 2
Roof style: gable roof
Architectural style: modern house with classic Palatinate elements (wooden tile roof, sandstone features, shutters)
Orientation: south
Maximum height / limits: according to neighboring buildings
Homeowners’ requirements: The wonderful view of the vineyards (to the north) should be considered in the floor plan.
Style, roof shape, building type: Since our plot is located in a wine village, we want a new building with classic Palatinate style elements, but without looking kitschy or outdated.
Basement, floors (full or partial basement, 2 full floors plus attic)
Number of occupants, age: 5 (41, 40, and 3 children aged 13, 9, 9)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Large living and dining area on the ground floor (space for a piano), bathroom and TV room on the ground floor (can also serve as a bedroom for possible care needs of relatives)
1st floor: parents’ area including dressing room and bathroom, man’s home office, guest room / office
2nd floor: children’s area with 3 bedrooms and children’s bathroom
Office: family use or home office: two home offices
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: mix
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 12
Fireplace: yes, Swedish round-tiled stove
Music / stereo wall: no, TV room on 1st floor (guest room)
Balcony, roof terrace: roof terrace above double garage with vineyard view
Garage, carport: double garage
House design
Planned by: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Separate parents’ and children’s areas, roof terrace with a wonderful view of the vineyards also from the home office, separate TV room, open kitchen with spacious living and dining area, seating area in the gallery on 1st and 2nd floors
What do you not like? Why? Window sizes on the 1st floor still need final planning, probably slightly larger. We do not really like the round windows (extension and north side). Do you have alternative ideas that would suit the house?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: initial estimate about 900,000 including additional costs (excluding garden)
Personal price limit for house including fittings: 900,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump with cooling function
[If you had to compromise, on which details / fittings? Full basement (this is a cost issue because the current house has a basement and must be demolished; a partial basement is planned, and depending on the cost of backfilling, a full basement might also be an option.)
- Could you go without: large master bedroom, children’s bathroom in the attic can be smaller
- Could not go without: children’s floor with children’s bathroom, roof terrace, large dressing room
Why has the design turned out as it is? Many discussions with the architect. It is important to us that the house does not look standard from the outside. More expensive, but planned for that. For example, shutters and sandstone elements.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Separate parents’ and children’s areas
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
Great: separate areas, spacious living and dining room
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Children’s bathroom with separate toilet to reduce morning congestion for the three schoolchildren?
Ideas for exterior views?
Enjoy looking through this, and thank you very much for your help.
Be careful with compromises. You don’t want it to look like it was attempted but not executed properly.
One element, done right. If you like the shutters, then go with those and leave out the arches.
The garage doesn’t look attractive on the house like this. At least, I can’t imagine how it would.
One element, done right. If you like the shutters, then go with those and leave out the arches.
The garage doesn’t look attractive on the house like this. At least, I can’t imagine how it would.
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Pfalzpaulianer16 Jan 2021 12:30Hausbautraum20 schrieb:
First of all, I would definitely swap ours right away ;-)
But I don’t understand the utility room on the ground floor either.
Probably meant as a wardrobe, right?
Given the overall dimensions, it seems too small to me. The bathroom on the ground floor also feels too small, especially considering potential care needs.
The pantry is also strange. Ours will be small too, but this is extreme. How exactly do you imagine using it?
Why don’t the children get a bathtub, while you even have a sauna? Or are they supposed to share your bathroom as usual?
We are building quite traditionally, so it doesn’t bother me that it looks different from most houses being built nowadays.
But I do understand what others mean.
The east elevation with the mix of shuttered windows and the small windows on the left is quite unusual and takes some getting used to. Why not have all the windows on the east side with shutters at least?
Overall (as a complete layperson) the rounded windows on the south and the two different styles on the east seem like three different architectural styles that don’t quite match.
If you like it and had a reason for the design, go for it, but in terms of current mainstream design, you’re definitely quite far off with the façade. I just told the kids they will get a bathtub. 🙂 We, the parents, hardly ever bathe, but the kids do every week. Without the bathtub on the ground floor, we can put the toilet in that location and maybe even make the shower a bit bigger. We will then move the bathtub upstairs to the kids’ bathroom. That frees up the parents’ bathroom and resolves the toilet-window issue. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Pfalzpaulianer16 Jan 2021 12:31haydee schrieb:
Be careful with compromises. You don’t want it to look like it was attempted but not well done.
Stick to one element, and do it properly. If you like the shutters, then choose those and leave out the arches.
The garage won’t look appealing on the house like that. At least, I can’t imagine it working. We are now going with no arches and larger windows with shutters.
Many thanks to you.
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pagoni202016 Jan 2021 17:37ypg schrieb:
..when you consistently share your knowledge and thoughts. You’re on a good path Okay, I may be a bit short on knowledge, but I do have plenty of thoughts to offer.
ypg schrieb:
I am somewhat overwhelmed by the opinions: It’s too much of everything for me, too, which is why I asked the original poster if the architect can actually deliver what they want. At least from the drawing, I don’t see it. This is not criticism of the OP, more directed at the designer.
@AnRi311 Your reply shouldn’t be just “unfortunately,” and I can handle a counterreaction. I generally prefer straightforward words, so I say what I don’t like, including about this house plan. That said, I really try to explain my personal perspective to the OP. Whether it helps them, I don’t know—and ultimately, it’s their decision.
Polite applause or a “pretty nice” would probably do more harm than good for my project, where I might actually need a push to break out of my possibly stuck thinking. Even if answers overlap or repeat, they can’t hurt, and I assume everyone writing wants to help me. They don’t know me, and in my opinion, one more opinion can’t hurt, so I wouldn’t want to miss either side.
Maybe with my blunt post I came across as an authority, and I won’t deny I’m often off the mark, but I do get the impression that everyone wants to help the questioner—whether they’re building a luxury home or a garden shed.
I hardly use any forums besides this one, and I would truly find it enriching if you didn’t just follow silently, because every additional opinion might help someone. If you find “old-fashioned” appealing, as you say, that’s just as valid—we get a broader range of opinions from which the OP can choose. Taste is always personal, thankfully!
AnRi311 schrieb:
That goes on my “I-like-myself” wall. ...I hope that’s some kind of honorary spot 🤨 well, I’ll just imagine it is!
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Bertram10016 Jan 2021 19:18There is a TV show called "Your Home Made Perfect" where two architects compete to redesign a family’s home according to their wishes.
As a viewer, everything is shown in 3D: the people and architects stand virtually inside the house, and suddenly walls disappear, roof windows and skylights appear, furniture shifts around.
In almost every episode, one of the architects explains why extensions often don’t work, why square meters (square feet) aren’t actually that important, and what to consider if you want a specific functionality.
Each episode focuses on a different theme, such as "more natural light," "space for children to play," "bringing nature indoors," or "more storage."
Regardless of the topic, the conclusion usually is that adding square meters (square feet) isn’t the best solution. This becomes clear through the quick 3D virtual redesigns.
Why is having such a large open-plan space so important to you? What do you expect to gain from it? Especially if the budget might become a problem. Square meters (square feet) rarely impress, but functionality definitely does.
As a viewer, everything is shown in 3D: the people and architects stand virtually inside the house, and suddenly walls disappear, roof windows and skylights appear, furniture shifts around.
In almost every episode, one of the architects explains why extensions often don’t work, why square meters (square feet) aren’t actually that important, and what to consider if you want a specific functionality.
Each episode focuses on a different theme, such as "more natural light," "space for children to play," "bringing nature indoors," or "more storage."
Regardless of the topic, the conclusion usually is that adding square meters (square feet) isn’t the best solution. This becomes clear through the quick 3D virtual redesigns.
Why is having such a large open-plan space so important to you? What do you expect to gain from it? Especially if the budget might become a problem. Square meters (square feet) rarely impress, but functionality definitely does.
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SchaeffnS16 Jan 2021 20:12Our layout is similar, with the parents on a different floor than the children, which is great, but for us it's the other way around. We are on the top floor, and the children are in the middle. This has the practical advantage that they don’t have to pass by us with friends at night or when heading back to the fridge.
When I look at a floor plan, I often start from the entrance. Entrance area for five people—shoes, jackets, gym bags, motorcycle helmets—but hardly any space for a coat rack, and instead there are five doors in the hallway.
Regarding the terrace, you won’t be happy in the long run without a fixed roof or cover. With wind and in autumn, you can’t leave anything outside, which means every year you have to carry the patio furniture up and down to the basement or garden shed.
Of the exterior style options, unfortunately none are really my taste, but it doesn’t have to appeal to me, it’s your choice. Just make sure these design features still please you in 10 years.
I once had an apartment with a porthole window in the hallway—I hated it. It didn’t bring in any light, you couldn’t place anything in front of it, a plant didn’t work either, and when I moved out, wallpapering around it was a nightmare.
When I look at a floor plan, I often start from the entrance. Entrance area for five people—shoes, jackets, gym bags, motorcycle helmets—but hardly any space for a coat rack, and instead there are five doors in the hallway.
Regarding the terrace, you won’t be happy in the long run without a fixed roof or cover. With wind and in autumn, you can’t leave anything outside, which means every year you have to carry the patio furniture up and down to the basement or garden shed.
Of the exterior style options, unfortunately none are really my taste, but it doesn’t have to appeal to me, it’s your choice. Just make sure these design features still please you in 10 years.
I once had an apartment with a porthole window in the hallway—I hated it. It didn’t bring in any light, you couldn’t place anything in front of it, a plant didn’t work either, and when I moved out, wallpapering around it was a nightmare.
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