ᐅ Beautiful new L-shaped kitchen in a newly built home, with no prior experience
Created on: 19 Jan 2025 14:56
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NeuDabei2025
Hello everyone!
I have been following your forum closely during our house construction, and now we are facing the decision of how to design our kitchen.
Originally, we wanted a walk-in pantry, but in our opinion, that no longer seems feasible. So, we have designed the kitchen in an L-shape with plenty of storage space. The water connection and electrical planning are still pending.
We had an initial design made (3D images; floor plan recreated by me), but since we have no experience buying a kitchen yet, we are looking forward to your suggestions! Thanks in advance...
Best regards
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Regarding the appliances, we are still undecided, but we could imagine the following:
Range hood: Siemens iQ500 LC81KAN60
Cooktop: Siemens iQ700 EX845HVC1E
Oven: Siemens iQ700 HB774G1B1
Dishwasher: Siemens iQ500 SN65EX12CE
For the sink, we are considering:
Franke Maris MRG 611-78 (as shown in the picture)
I have read quite a bit of criticism about durability and food discoloration.
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About the kitchen itself, here is some information:
Manufacturer: Nobilia
Fronts: Touch 336 lacquer laminate Magnolia super matte
Countertop: 149 Concrete Terragrau
Carcass: 120 Magnolia
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Brief explanation of the layout (based on the floor plan and 3D renderings):
General
We will probably have a direct passage from the hallway into the kitchen, which will remain open.
We are still unsure whether the kitchen should be 240 cm (about 94 inches) high at all (possibly too tall) and/or if a panel should be installed all the way up to the ceiling to enclose it. With friends, a fully enclosed kitchen up to the ceiling looked very good.
All handles should be centered, whether on drawers or regular doors.
We have not decided yet what to use as backsplash decoration (on the wall).
Wall next to the door
Wall to the left of the floor-to-ceiling window
Wall to the right of the floor-to-ceiling window
I have been following your forum closely during our house construction, and now we are facing the decision of how to design our kitchen.
Originally, we wanted a walk-in pantry, but in our opinion, that no longer seems feasible. So, we have designed the kitchen in an L-shape with plenty of storage space. The water connection and electrical planning are still pending.
We had an initial design made (3D images; floor plan recreated by me), but since we have no experience buying a kitchen yet, we are looking forward to your suggestions! Thanks in advance...
Best regards
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Regarding the appliances, we are still undecided, but we could imagine the following:
Range hood: Siemens iQ500 LC81KAN60
Cooktop: Siemens iQ700 EX845HVC1E
Oven: Siemens iQ700 HB774G1B1
Dishwasher: Siemens iQ500 SN65EX12CE
For the sink, we are considering:
Franke Maris MRG 611-78 (as shown in the picture)
I have read quite a bit of criticism about durability and food discoloration.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
About the kitchen itself, here is some information:
Manufacturer: Nobilia
Fronts: Touch 336 lacquer laminate Magnolia super matte
Countertop: 149 Concrete Terragrau
Carcass: 120 Magnolia
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Brief explanation of the layout (based on the floor plan and 3D renderings):
General
We will probably have a direct passage from the hallway into the kitchen, which will remain open.
We are still unsure whether the kitchen should be 240 cm (about 94 inches) high at all (possibly too tall) and/or if a panel should be installed all the way up to the ceiling to enclose it. With friends, a fully enclosed kitchen up to the ceiling looked very good.
All handles should be centered, whether on drawers or regular doors.
We have not decided yet what to use as backsplash decoration (on the wall).
Wall next to the door
- Possibly a French door refrigerator will be placed centered on the wall next to the door
- To the left of the fridge will be the stove, and to the right the raised dishwasher
- We are undecided whether the cabinet on the left should have just one door or multiple doors
- It would be nice if the dishwasher is the same height as the stove, but that would make it very tall and the planner says this is not possible with the manufacturer
Wall to the left of the floor-to-ceiling window
- In the L-shape, the left side will provide storage for everything, since we no longer have a pantry
- The cabinets can only be 40 cm (about 16 inches) deep due to the window
- We are undecided whether these should have one, two, or three doors
Wall to the right of the floor-to-ceiling window
- The standard width of the drawers should be 60 cm (about 24 inches)
- The height including the countertop is approximately 90 cm (about 35 inches), with a 10 cm (about 4 inches) plinth, but I am not entirely sure
- The stove will be 90 cm (about 35 inches) wide, and we chose a range hood because a cooktop with integrated extractor would be more expensive and louder
- The sink should be centered under the window
- We are unsure whether to choose a Franke sink made of ceramic or a simpler material
- The sink should be in a cashmere color or similar
- At the end of the L-shape, we have a cabinet with a carousel
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NeuDabei202525 Jan 2025 16:18FloHB123 schrieb:
A few additional points about your planning:
- Check if the countertop height works for you. We (173cm (5 ft 8 in)/165cm (5 ft 5 in)) find 91cm (36 inches) comfortable.
We will still check that, perhaps it can be coordinated with the window.
FloHB123 schrieb:
A few additional points about your planning:
- A cooktop including a downdraft extractor isn’t necessarily more expensive. You just have to avoid comparing apples and oranges—for example, switching from Siemens to Bora. Both have their pros and cons.
- There’s a lot of savings to be made with electrical appliances without having to compromise. For example, we chose the simplest oven model from Neff. We don’t need a color display with hundreds of programs. The oven should just handle the basic functions (grill, convection, top and bottom heat) and keep the food warm.
- For the oven and microwave, I would pick appliances from the same manufacturer to ensure a consistent look. For other appliances, it doesn’t matter as much; it’s better to focus on function and value for money.
I agree with you. We didn’t want the cooktop on the side facing the dining area because it splashes more there. It’s already annoying now, but if it splashes into the dining room, it would probably be even worse.
FloHB123 schrieb:
A few additional points about your planning:
- I would choose drawers larger than 60cm (24 inches) if they match the look of the wall cabinets. That way, you’d have fewer handles, which looks neater. You can always divide the drawers inside.
Do you mean on the L-shape that faces the dining room?
FloHB123 schrieb:
A few additional points about your planning:
- Center handles on doors are hard to open. Have you tried that?
I agree with you. We already have that now, and it’s fine. We want them in the middle because it looks more uniform.
FloHB123 schrieb:
A few additional points about your planning:
- Do you really need these tall drawers everywhere? They can only be filled with tall kitchen appliances unless you stack everything, which isn’t ideal for storage. With Nobilia, it’s possible to do it differently.
We’re not sure yet, but we want a consistent look. We won’t need more than three shallow drawers for cutlery. We currently have one drawer for that.
Thanks for your comments.
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NeuDabei202525 Jan 2025 16:19tomtom79 schrieb:
What price range are we looking at nowadays for this size? Is 25,000 euros still enough? No. Without appliances, around 13,000 euros. At Ikea, including appliances and different fronts, about 10,000 euros.
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NeuDabei202525 Jan 2025 16:34Arauki11 schrieb:
I would also consider a French door refrigerator, as you significantly limit your options and usually end up paying unnecessarily higher prices with just two 45cm (18 inches) doors. I find the same applies to American side-by-side models with narrow doors and limited interior compartments, which I see as a disadvantage.
For this reason, I have always preferred European side-by-side, meaning simply two full-sized freestanding units placed side by side with a connecting piece. These are available from brands like Siemens/Bosch, Liebherr, etc., each 60cm (24 inches) wide. I think it’s better not to overcrowd the interior, and even for just two people, I don’t find it too large. I have all Siemens IQ500 and 700 appliances, and everything works perfectly; you just need to look at the minor differences. Most importantly, you get a sufficiently large freezer and, for a few extra dollars, an ice maker if you like that feature. French door refrigerators have always appealed to me visually, but in the end, we always decided against them for practical reasons.Thanks for the tip! I’ve looked into it. Unfortunately, the freezers alone with an ice maker cost about as much as a complete French door unit. I don’t want to give up the built-in ice dispenser.
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NeuDabei202525 Jan 2025 18:36wiltshire schrieb:
Your kitchen space is not easy to design, but this layout works quite well. I have good experience with Siemens appliances myself – I didn’t look further into the selected models. At the time, we chose the top models due to a minimal price difference. [...] I’m not an experienced kitchen planner, so I don’t have a better suggestion off the cuff. There must be good reasons why, in the house design, the kitchen floor plan didn’t play a major role. Thank you very much for your detailed reply. Attached is the revised proposal in two versions:
1.) L-shape
2.) L-shape with island
What do you think? Do you have further ideas?
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wiltshire25 Jan 2025 22:02NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
What do you think about it?I find this design significantly more "cook-friendly." The countertop in front of the window will bring you a lot of joy.When negotiating the price, start with the most basic Siemens appliances and ask for a discount equal to the surcharge for the upgraded appliances you want. Kitchen suppliers usually have a lot of flexibility here—it doesn’t cost them much, but it benefits you.
NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
Thanks for the tip! I checked it out. Unfortunately, the freezers with ice cube dispensers alone cost about as much as the entire French door refrigerator. I don’t want to give up the dispenser in the appliance. Not really. We currently have the Samsung Bespoke with a manual dispenser and no water connection, which wasn’t expensive at all, plus the full fridge compartment. With that, you also get a lot more cooling/freezer space, and which French door model would actually be cheaper? Can you name the models? I’d personally go for Siemens, as they are genuinely quieter. For us, it doesn’t matter since the freezer is located in the utility room.
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