ᐅ Beautiful new L-shaped kitchen in a newly built home, with no prior experience
Created on: 19 Jan 2025 14:56
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NeuDabei2025
Hello everyone!
I have been following your forum closely during our house construction, and now we are facing the decision of how to design our kitchen.
Originally, we wanted a walk-in pantry, but in our opinion, that no longer seems feasible. So, we have designed the kitchen in an L-shape with plenty of storage space. The water connection and electrical planning are still pending.
We had an initial design made (3D images; floor plan recreated by me), but since we have no experience buying a kitchen yet, we are looking forward to your suggestions! Thanks in advance...
Best regards
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Regarding the appliances, we are still undecided, but we could imagine the following:
Range hood: Siemens iQ500 LC81KAN60
Cooktop: Siemens iQ700 EX845HVC1E
Oven: Siemens iQ700 HB774G1B1
Dishwasher: Siemens iQ500 SN65EX12CE
For the sink, we are considering:
Franke Maris MRG 611-78 (as shown in the picture)
I have read quite a bit of criticism about durability and food discoloration.
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About the kitchen itself, here is some information:
Manufacturer: Nobilia
Fronts: Touch 336 lacquer laminate Magnolia super matte
Countertop: 149 Concrete Terragrau
Carcass: 120 Magnolia
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Brief explanation of the layout (based on the floor plan and 3D renderings):
General
We will probably have a direct passage from the hallway into the kitchen, which will remain open.
We are still unsure whether the kitchen should be 240 cm (about 94 inches) high at all (possibly too tall) and/or if a panel should be installed all the way up to the ceiling to enclose it. With friends, a fully enclosed kitchen up to the ceiling looked very good.
All handles should be centered, whether on drawers or regular doors.
We have not decided yet what to use as backsplash decoration (on the wall).
Wall next to the door
Wall to the left of the floor-to-ceiling window
Wall to the right of the floor-to-ceiling window
I have been following your forum closely during our house construction, and now we are facing the decision of how to design our kitchen.
Originally, we wanted a walk-in pantry, but in our opinion, that no longer seems feasible. So, we have designed the kitchen in an L-shape with plenty of storage space. The water connection and electrical planning are still pending.
We had an initial design made (3D images; floor plan recreated by me), but since we have no experience buying a kitchen yet, we are looking forward to your suggestions! Thanks in advance...
Best regards
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Regarding the appliances, we are still undecided, but we could imagine the following:
Range hood: Siemens iQ500 LC81KAN60
Cooktop: Siemens iQ700 EX845HVC1E
Oven: Siemens iQ700 HB774G1B1
Dishwasher: Siemens iQ500 SN65EX12CE
For the sink, we are considering:
Franke Maris MRG 611-78 (as shown in the picture)
I have read quite a bit of criticism about durability and food discoloration.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
About the kitchen itself, here is some information:
Manufacturer: Nobilia
Fronts: Touch 336 lacquer laminate Magnolia super matte
Countertop: 149 Concrete Terragrau
Carcass: 120 Magnolia
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brief explanation of the layout (based on the floor plan and 3D renderings):
General
We will probably have a direct passage from the hallway into the kitchen, which will remain open.
We are still unsure whether the kitchen should be 240 cm (about 94 inches) high at all (possibly too tall) and/or if a panel should be installed all the way up to the ceiling to enclose it. With friends, a fully enclosed kitchen up to the ceiling looked very good.
All handles should be centered, whether on drawers or regular doors.
We have not decided yet what to use as backsplash decoration (on the wall).
Wall next to the door
- Possibly a French door refrigerator will be placed centered on the wall next to the door
- To the left of the fridge will be the stove, and to the right the raised dishwasher
- We are undecided whether the cabinet on the left should have just one door or multiple doors
- It would be nice if the dishwasher is the same height as the stove, but that would make it very tall and the planner says this is not possible with the manufacturer
Wall to the left of the floor-to-ceiling window
- In the L-shape, the left side will provide storage for everything, since we no longer have a pantry
- The cabinets can only be 40 cm (about 16 inches) deep due to the window
- We are undecided whether these should have one, two, or three doors
Wall to the right of the floor-to-ceiling window
- The standard width of the drawers should be 60 cm (about 24 inches)
- The height including the countertop is approximately 90 cm (about 35 inches), with a 10 cm (about 4 inches) plinth, but I am not entirely sure
- The stove will be 90 cm (about 35 inches) wide, and we chose a range hood because a cooktop with integrated extractor would be more expensive and louder
- The sink should be centered under the window
- We are unsure whether to choose a Franke sink made of ceramic or a simpler material
- The sink should be in a cashmere color or similar
- At the end of the L-shape, we have a cabinet with a carousel
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wiltshire20 Jan 2025 14:56Your kitchen space is not easy to “work with,” but the design manages it quite well. I have positive experience with Siemens appliances myself—though I haven’t looked into the exact models you’ve chosen. At the time, we went with the top models due to a minimal price difference during the selection process. A good salesperson calculates so that the customer is satisfied while still keeping some margin. Perhaps that’s why I was easily convinced.
There are a few aspects where I see some potential issues, which I’ll share here.
This visually appealing feature compromises practicality in daily use.
Consider requesting the same material as the countertop in a thinner version if you like that look. In our children’s kitchens, we used colored glass there.
As drawn, the refrigerator, which protrudes further, will interfere with practical use of the oven. The oven is positioned so that carrying a tray or pan from the oven to the work surface is quite a long way. With some bad luck, there could be collisions since the oven is located in the “traffic lane.” From a practical standpoint (and visually much calmer), a large built-in refrigerator (or two) would be a better solution. I would place the oven further from the entrance and closer to the opposite work surface—or directly near the cooktop, which would require a tall cabinet, for example, next to the window, if placed at a comfortable height.
Don’t make the dishwasher taller—the upper rack will be difficult to unload.
Be sure to test the working height.
Make sure the faucet does not interfere with opening the window.
The carousel’s only purpose is to facilitate access to storage space that would otherwise be hard to reach. There are various mechanisms for this. Once you know what you want to store there, you can decide whether you want it at all and which mechanism suits your needs best.
Although I appreciate aesthetics and beauty, I am less willing to compromise on ergonomics in the kitchen than in other areas. In your design, I find the distances especially from the refrigerator to the cooktop, as well as between cooktop and oven and oven to the work surface, to be too long. I am not a professional kitchen planner, so I don’t have a better solution offhand. There are probably good reasons why the kitchen layout did not play a primary role in the house design.
There are a few aspects where I see some potential issues, which I’ll share here.
NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
The handles should all be centered, whether on drawers or regular doors.
This visually appealing feature compromises practicality in daily use.
NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
We also haven’t decided yet what to use as niche decoration (that is, on the wall).
Consider requesting the same material as the countertop in a thinner version if you like that look. In our children’s kitchens, we used colored glass there.
NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
Wall next to the door
- There may be a French door refrigerator, centered on the wall from the door
- The oven should be on the left side next to the refrigerator, and the dishwasher (built-in at standing height) on the right
As drawn, the refrigerator, which protrudes further, will interfere with practical use of the oven. The oven is positioned so that carrying a tray or pan from the oven to the work surface is quite a long way. With some bad luck, there could be collisions since the oven is located in the “traffic lane.” From a practical standpoint (and visually much calmer), a large built-in refrigerator (or two) would be a better solution. I would place the oven further from the entrance and closer to the opposite work surface—or directly near the cooktop, which would require a tall cabinet, for example, next to the window, if placed at a comfortable height.
NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
Wall next to the door
- It would be nice if the dishwasher were the same height as the oven, but that would make it very tall and the planner says it’s not possible with the manufacturer.
Don’t make the dishwasher taller—the upper rack will be difficult to unload.
NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
Wall right of the floor-to-ceiling window
- In my opinion, the height including the countertop is 90cm (35 inches) and the baseboard is 10cm (4 inches) (but I’m not sure)
- The oven should be 90cm (35 inches) wide, and we decided on a range hood since a cooktop with integrated extractor would be more expensive and louder
- The sink should be centered under the window
- We are uncertain whether to use a ceramic sink by Franke or one made from a simpler material
- The sink should be in a cashmere color or similar
- At the end of the L-shape, we have a cabinet with a carousel unit
NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
Wall right of the floor-to-ceiling window
- In my opinion, the height including the countertop is 90cm (35 inches) and the baseboard is 10cm (4 inches) (but I’m not sure)
Be sure to test the working height.
NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
Wall right of the floor-to-ceiling window
- The sink should be centered under the window
Make sure the faucet does not interfere with opening the window.
NeuDabei2025 schrieb:
Wall right of the floor-to-ceiling window
- At the end of the L-shape, we have a cabinet with a carousel unit
The carousel’s only purpose is to facilitate access to storage space that would otherwise be hard to reach. There are various mechanisms for this. Once you know what you want to store there, you can decide whether you want it at all and which mechanism suits your needs best.
Although I appreciate aesthetics and beauty, I am less willing to compromise on ergonomics in the kitchen than in other areas. In your design, I find the distances especially from the refrigerator to the cooktop, as well as between cooktop and oven and oven to the work surface, to be too long. I am not a professional kitchen planner, so I don’t have a better solution offhand. There are probably good reasons why the kitchen layout did not play a primary role in the house design.
Although I don't usually prefer a pantry, I would reconsider in this case and recommend building it separately with an outer corner solution and a nice (sliding) door, as I wouldn't like the angled layout of the room as it is now.
Also, I would suggest considering a French door refrigerator because your selection will be quite limited, you often end up paying unnecessarily higher prices, and you only get two 45cm (18 inches) doors. I feel similarly about the American side-by-side models with narrow doors and limited interior compartments; I see that as a disadvantage.
For this reason, I have always preferred European side-by-side refrigerators—basically, two full-size freestanding units placed side by side with a connecting piece. These are offered by brands like Siemens/Bosch, Liebherr, and others, typically in two 60cm (24 inches) widths. I find it looks nicer when the interior isn’t overcrowded, and even for just two people, it doesn’t feel too large. I have all Siemens IQ500 and 700 appliances, and everything works perfectly; you just need to check the small differences between models. Most importantly, you get a sufficiently large freezer compartment and, for a few extra dollars, an ice maker if you want one. French door refrigerators always appealed to me visually, but in the end, we always decided against them for practical reasons.
Also, I would suggest considering a French door refrigerator because your selection will be quite limited, you often end up paying unnecessarily higher prices, and you only get two 45cm (18 inches) doors. I feel similarly about the American side-by-side models with narrow doors and limited interior compartments; I see that as a disadvantage.
For this reason, I have always preferred European side-by-side refrigerators—basically, two full-size freestanding units placed side by side with a connecting piece. These are offered by brands like Siemens/Bosch, Liebherr, and others, typically in two 60cm (24 inches) widths. I find it looks nicer when the interior isn’t overcrowded, and even for just two people, it doesn’t feel too large. I have all Siemens IQ500 and 700 appliances, and everything works perfectly; you just need to check the small differences between models. Most importantly, you get a sufficiently large freezer compartment and, for a few extra dollars, an ice maker if you want one. French door refrigerators always appealed to me visually, but in the end, we always decided against them for practical reasons.
I have two large-capacity built-in refrigeration units placed side by side. On the left is a freezer, on the right a refrigerator (without a freezer compartment), and there is also an 80cm (32 inches) refrigerator (without a freezer compartment) in the hallway for drinks. To be honest, this setup has occasionally led us to buy more than we needed since we already had plenty of supplies. So it’s almost too much space...
For me, just three or four drawers in a French door model would be too few, and the narrow side of a side-by-side unit is also impractical, as @Arauki11 already mentioned.
For me, just three or four drawers in a French door model would be too few, and the narrow side of a side-by-side unit is also impractical, as @Arauki11 already mentioned.
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NeuDabei202525 Jan 2025 16:11K a t j a schrieb:
Sorry, I’m not a kitchen expert, but why wouldn’t that work?Unfortunately, the actual countertop space will be too small.
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