ᐅ What supply water temperatures are you currently using?

Created on: 24 Oct 2021 10:27
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lesmue79
Just out of curiosity, to better understand the slope of the heating curve, what flow temperatures do you typically run at 0°C (32°F) outdoor temperature, given a certain indoor temperature and insulation level, when using a combination of underfloor heating and a heat pump?

Background of the question:

My logic tells me that if I want, for example, 22°C (72°F) room temperature, the flow temperature must be at least 22°C (72°F) or higher, since I learned that there needs to be a temperature difference for heat transfer to occur.

So if my heating system turns on at 12°C (54°F) outdoor temperature, my flow temperature should logically start somewhere around 22°C–25°C (72°F–77°F). Accordingly, at only 5°C (41°F) outside, it should be around 27°C (81°F), and at 0°C (32°F) close to 30°C (86°F).

The system design usually takes the location and outdoor temperature down to about –12°C (10°F). If at 0°C (32°F) flow temperature is already 30°C (86°F) according to my logic, then at –12°C (10°F) the flow temperature should be about 40°C (104°F). But most underfloor heating designs for heat pumps are based on a maximum flow temperature of 35°C (95°F).

Of course, the insulation of the house and the indoor temperatures still play a role. Or is the increase in flow temperature actually so gradual that it only rises by about 0.5–1°C (1–2°F) for outdoor temperature drops in 0–5°C (0–9°F) increments?
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Dennis89
22 Dec 2021 08:31
How often does your heat pump defrost at these temperatures? Mine defrosts every 30 minutes. Quite strange.
As a result, the radiator temperature setpoint is not reached either, because the radiator temperature drops during defrosting. It’s a cycle.
OWLer22 Dec 2021 08:46
I am currently running 0.2 with a +1°C (34°F) parallel shift.

Defrosting occurs approximately every hour.

At the moment, the overall power consumption is surprisingly high. It seems that the preheating coil of my ventilation system has unfortunately switched on.

Close-up of a round ventilation grille with concentric rings, ice on the edge.
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Dennis89
22 Dec 2021 08:48
OWLer schrieb:

I am currently running 0.2 with a +1°C (2°F) parallel shift.

Defrost cycles occur about every hour.

At the moment, the total electricity consumption is surprisingly high. It seems that the preheating element of my ventilation system has unfortunately switched on.

Once an hour sounds reasonable to me, but every 30 minutes?
What is your heat pump currently consuming?
Musketier22 Dec 2021 08:52






















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AT Flow temperature (setpoint)

20°C (68°F)

26°C (79°F)

15°C (59°F)

27°C (81°F)
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10°C (50°F)
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28°C (82°F)

5°C (41°F)
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29°C (84°F)
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0°C (32°F)
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30°C (86°F)
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-5°C (23°F)
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31°C (88°F)
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-10°C (14°F)
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32°C (90°F)
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-15°C (5°F)
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33°C (91°F)
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-20°C (-4°F)
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34°C (93°F)
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AT = Outside temperature
Flow temperature (setpoint)

I have a parallel shift of +6 and a slope of 0.2
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Alessandro
22 Dec 2021 09:05
What does a parallel shift of +6 mean?

Currently, with an outside temperature of -7°C (19°F), I am running a flow temperature of 34°C (93°F).
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netuser
22 Dec 2021 09:11
OWLer schrieb:

This morning the heating system measured an outside temperature of -4.5°C (23.9°F) (Apple claims -6°C / 21.2°F) and the supply temperature is 30°C (86°F).

If I were you, I’d check whether Apple might actually be right 😉

Just yesterday, in the presence of the service technician, I adjusted the correction value by -3°C (27.2°F), because the heating system’s temperature sensor has been measuring too high (always above the actual value) since installation. There is a “correction value” option in the menu for that.

OWLer schrieb:

I’m currently running 0.2 with a +1°C (33.8°F) parallel offset.

Defrost cycles happen about every hour.

We have the same heating system. Where do you set the parallel offset? Where do you check how often the defrost cycles occur? 🙂