ᐅ What supply water temperatures are you currently using?

Created on: 24 Oct 2021 10:27
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lesmue79
Just out of curiosity, to better understand the slope of the heating curve, what flow temperatures do you typically run at 0°C (32°F) outdoor temperature, given a certain indoor temperature and insulation level, when using a combination of underfloor heating and a heat pump?

Background of the question:

My logic tells me that if I want, for example, 22°C (72°F) room temperature, the flow temperature must be at least 22°C (72°F) or higher, since I learned that there needs to be a temperature difference for heat transfer to occur.

So if my heating system turns on at 12°C (54°F) outdoor temperature, my flow temperature should logically start somewhere around 22°C–25°C (72°F–77°F). Accordingly, at only 5°C (41°F) outside, it should be around 27°C (81°F), and at 0°C (32°F) close to 30°C (86°F).

The system design usually takes the location and outdoor temperature down to about –12°C (10°F). If at 0°C (32°F) flow temperature is already 30°C (86°F) according to my logic, then at –12°C (10°F) the flow temperature should be about 40°C (104°F). But most underfloor heating designs for heat pumps are based on a maximum flow temperature of 35°C (95°F).

Of course, the insulation of the house and the indoor temperatures still play a role. Or is the increase in flow temperature actually so gradual that it only rises by about 0.5–1°C (1–2°F) for outdoor temperature drops in 0–5°C (0–9°F) increments?
KingJulien24 Oct 2021 13:23
Especially when the actuators are down:
Check if the square nut underneath is completely unscrewed.
I recently noticed that both the supply and return lines were throttled.
It turned out: 20% less pump power was needed for the same flow rate.
KingJulien24 Oct 2021 13:24
driver55 schrieb:

More than 5 liters per minute —> 300 I don't see there.

Those are just rough estimates, read from the wrong angle of a photo.
I trust the flow meter of the heat pump more.
kati133724 Oct 2021 13:55
These are our values currently at about 10°C (50°F) outdoor temperature. The insulation standard is KFW55.

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lesmue79
24 Oct 2021 14:30
A small buffer tank is installed with a capacity of 18 liters (5 gallons) used as a return line storage.

The actuators have their own fuse; however, all the actuators are wired together with Wago connectors inside a junction box. I need to carefully untangle and document everything later. For now, all actuators are manually set to maximum or permanently open.

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KingJulien24 Oct 2021 16:21
lesmue79 schrieb:

The actuators have their own fuse, but all the actuators are cramped into a junction box using Wago connectors.
Doesn't matter, just pull the fuse, unscrew them, and let them hang. I’m not bothering to remove them 😉
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lesmue79
24 Oct 2021 18:05
I’ve done that as well, but right now it’s still annoying during the fine tuning when those things are hanging around. The ultimate goal is actually to completely disconnect them and remove them from the distribution box.