Hello everyone,
Over the past few years, I’ve gradually made our rental apartment a bit smarter. Tado for heating and air conditioning, Hue for the lights, Nuki for the front door, Eve for the garden, some smart plugs and window sensors, and Netatmo to stay informed. Everything is integrated with Apple’s HomeKit, and almost everything can also be controlled via multiple Alexas.
Overall, we are very satisfied with our setup. So far, we have no problems running automations that, for example (where desired), turn on the lights via motion sensors. Geofencing controls many things (cameras, heating, lighting, etc.), so for us, almost all needs are covered. Since we already have a lot of hardware, we want to keep all of it and implement it in our new house. Of course, there are also some things to improve here.
Just this past weekend, I discovered that Philips has a collaboration with Gira offering switches that require no wiring, no batteries, and look great as well. Although we enjoy almost everything automated, there are always some situations or rooms where a simple switch is still faster and better. That’s why we are currently considering installing these switches alongside the existing wired light switches where they already sit. Weberhaus also offers this solution for their houses, so it can’t be too bad. Still, it would be quite a drastic step to completely give up the “old” switches and thus wiring as well.
Here is question 1:
Who has already implemented this solution with the Hue switches and can share their experience?
I have, of course, imagined some worst-case scenarios and have tested a few things at home. Lights MUST always be able to be turned on somehow—that is my basic requirement.
Case 1: Internet connection fails (Wi-Fi still active).
Apple HomeKit is offline, as is Alexa (both perfectly manageable since these are luxury features, not basic requirements). Hue devices still communicate and can be controlled both with the switches and the app.
Case 2: Router (FritzBox) total failure.
Same as Case 1.
Case 3: Hue Bridge breaks.
Lights can no longer be controlled by either the switches or the app. BUT the emergency solution still works: cutting power to the lamp and restoring it. Hue bulbs are, by default, ALWAYS on when powered.
The catch with the new Gira switches is that they also stop working, meaning you really have to remove the bulb and put it back. For me, that’s okay in such an exceptional situation—it has never happened to me in all these years, and one night can be managed like that.
So, the Hue solution with their switches is basically acceptable to me even in an emergency. Test passed!
Please point out any cases I haven’t thought of (and please don’t just say power outage 😀).
Now, as a new feature for my new house, I will have roller shutters everywhere, which will be controlled wirelessly with Somfy motors, so I need your help again since I can’t test these yet.
The question here is: are there wireless solutions that allow the roller shutters to be lowered even in exceptional situations?
Theoretically, radio motors don’t need switches anymore, but are there similar wireless switches that require no wiring?
What’s really important to me is: if all standard equipment fails (the associated bridge, Wi-Fi router…), is there any way to still lower the roller shutters without installing a wired backup solution?
That’s it for now 😀.
A quick clarification: I’m just a user, so if I have described things incorrectly (like calling a switch a button or vice versa—I’ve never been able to keep that straight), please overlook it 🙂
Best regards
From a smart home enthusiast who doesn’t really have a proper smart home yet 😉
Over the past few years, I’ve gradually made our rental apartment a bit smarter. Tado for heating and air conditioning, Hue for the lights, Nuki for the front door, Eve for the garden, some smart plugs and window sensors, and Netatmo to stay informed. Everything is integrated with Apple’s HomeKit, and almost everything can also be controlled via multiple Alexas.
Overall, we are very satisfied with our setup. So far, we have no problems running automations that, for example (where desired), turn on the lights via motion sensors. Geofencing controls many things (cameras, heating, lighting, etc.), so for us, almost all needs are covered. Since we already have a lot of hardware, we want to keep all of it and implement it in our new house. Of course, there are also some things to improve here.
Just this past weekend, I discovered that Philips has a collaboration with Gira offering switches that require no wiring, no batteries, and look great as well. Although we enjoy almost everything automated, there are always some situations or rooms where a simple switch is still faster and better. That’s why we are currently considering installing these switches alongside the existing wired light switches where they already sit. Weberhaus also offers this solution for their houses, so it can’t be too bad. Still, it would be quite a drastic step to completely give up the “old” switches and thus wiring as well.
Here is question 1:
Who has already implemented this solution with the Hue switches and can share their experience?
I have, of course, imagined some worst-case scenarios and have tested a few things at home. Lights MUST always be able to be turned on somehow—that is my basic requirement.
Case 1: Internet connection fails (Wi-Fi still active).
Apple HomeKit is offline, as is Alexa (both perfectly manageable since these are luxury features, not basic requirements). Hue devices still communicate and can be controlled both with the switches and the app.
Case 2: Router (FritzBox) total failure.
Same as Case 1.
Case 3: Hue Bridge breaks.
Lights can no longer be controlled by either the switches or the app. BUT the emergency solution still works: cutting power to the lamp and restoring it. Hue bulbs are, by default, ALWAYS on when powered.
The catch with the new Gira switches is that they also stop working, meaning you really have to remove the bulb and put it back. For me, that’s okay in such an exceptional situation—it has never happened to me in all these years, and one night can be managed like that.
So, the Hue solution with their switches is basically acceptable to me even in an emergency. Test passed!
Please point out any cases I haven’t thought of (and please don’t just say power outage 😀).
Now, as a new feature for my new house, I will have roller shutters everywhere, which will be controlled wirelessly with Somfy motors, so I need your help again since I can’t test these yet.
The question here is: are there wireless solutions that allow the roller shutters to be lowered even in exceptional situations?
Theoretically, radio motors don’t need switches anymore, but are there similar wireless switches that require no wiring?
What’s really important to me is: if all standard equipment fails (the associated bridge, Wi-Fi router…), is there any way to still lower the roller shutters without installing a wired backup solution?
That’s it for now 😀.
A quick clarification: I’m just a user, so if I have described things incorrectly (like calling a switch a button or vice versa—I’ve never been able to keep that straight), please overlook it 🙂
Best regards
From a smart home enthusiast who doesn’t really have a proper smart home yet 😉
Hmm, and once again, a few obstacles for which I need a solution 😕.
The issue with the switches is the least of my problems here; in a worst-case scenario, I would accept them. Right now, I just have a strong desire to try without them since we have managed well for years without them, but not with the roller shutters—I lack experience there, which is why I want to have the option to install switches.
Alexa seems to work with Bosch.
The Wi-Fi issue with the venetian blinds is unfortunate, as this could cause range problems again. I still need to check whether the Bosch system offers any way to extend the range with an extra option (like a second hub in the basement or something similar).
The situation with the wind and light sensors is exactly the opposite here; I would prefer to have them operate directly with the control system for the venetian blinds, not through HomeKit or a similar platform.
(Although I can’t find anything about HomeKit with Rademacher—they advertise Alexa and Google, but not Apple.)
I can see that I’ll need to think this through in more detail and then accept some compromises; unfortunately, it seems you can’t have it all.
Thanks so far for your answers!
The issue with the switches is the least of my problems here; in a worst-case scenario, I would accept them. Right now, I just have a strong desire to try without them since we have managed well for years without them, but not with the roller shutters—I lack experience there, which is why I want to have the option to install switches.
Alexa seems to work with Bosch.
The Wi-Fi issue with the venetian blinds is unfortunate, as this could cause range problems again. I still need to check whether the Bosch system offers any way to extend the range with an extra option (like a second hub in the basement or something similar).
The situation with the wind and light sensors is exactly the opposite here; I would prefer to have them operate directly with the control system for the venetian blinds, not through HomeKit or a similar platform.
(Although I can’t find anything about HomeKit with Rademacher—they advertise Alexa and Google, but not Apple.)
I can see that I’ll need to think this through in more detail and then accept some compromises; unfortunately, it seems you can’t have it all.
Thanks so far for your answers!
Nixwill schrieb:
The situation with the wind and light sensors is actually the opposite here; I would prefer to have them directly control the roller shutters instead of going through HomeKit or something similar. Isn’t HomeKit exactly the “hub” in between that manages the relevant control scenarios...? HomeKit is more than just Siri...
Nixwill schrieb:
(Although I can’t find anything from Rademacher regarding HomeKit; they promote Alexa and Google, but not Apple.) You’re probably right about that. Sorry for the confusion, Rademacher does not offer direct HomeKit support. Currently only Siri (via Shortcuts)... but home integration only indirectly again 🙁
Nixwill schrieb:
I see that I need to think about this in more detail and accept some compromises; unfortunately, it seems there isn’t a perfect solution.
Thanks for your replies so far! Otherwise, take a look at Enocean to see what product solutions they currently offer for your projects. In two years, this will probably change again, and the product range will likely expand with other providers as well... 🙂
netuser schrieb:
Isn't HomeKit precisely the "central unit" in between that manages the control of the scenarios...? HomeKit is not just Siri... It is, but especially when it comes to wind and external blinds, the wind sensor plays a very important role in preventing damage. That's why I would like to implement this connection specifically without the involvement of anything else…
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