ᐅ Strategy for Buying a Kitchen / How to Negotiate Effectively?

Calm down.
I bet that if you were sitting across the table, having a glass of wine, you would talk to each other much more instead of against each other.
And if not, you would simply end the conversation.
In a way, you have hijacked a thread for your different and still unrelated opinions.
Especially from someone who is a mod, I would expect more restraint.

pagoni2020 schrieb:

Expecting to get everything for free/not willing to properly pay the craftsman’s work or, in general, IKEA customers trying to save on any kind of warranty out of stinginess (paraphrased)

Where exactly did I even say anything remotely like that? Paraphrased??

Tarnari schrieb:

I bet you would talk much more to each other over a glass of wine at the table opposite.

That may be true. But putting words or opinions in my mouth that I never said is just impudent. Accusing me of things here is not right either.
Go ahead and continue, I don’t have to put up with this and people like that.
I’m not the one here who believes they have done everything perfectly. You’re the Mr. Perfect, @pagoni2020 ... done everything perfectly.

ypg schrieb:

that most thread starters and questioners only focus on the bottom right corner – quality doesn’t matter, as long as they save money!

"Most" (users and questioners here in the forum) are therefore just bargain-hunters and don’t care about quality; so nearly all forum members, right? That’s a rather harsh statement about such a large group of users.

ypg schrieb:

Well, it’s obvious when you add up device costs and only end up with €50 (about $55) per cabinet for the furniture, and then start negotiating...

…who actually did that? The reply was addressed to @Shiny86. Maybe it was her. Don’t just make others look stupid—you apparently don’t like it yourself, as can be read here, or just accept getting the same kind of reaction yourself.

ypg schrieb:

You weren’t drunk when you wrote that number, were you?

Luckily, I wasn’t meant this time—although maybe I was drunk after all.

ypg schrieb:

The Ikea buyer loves DIY and would rather plan for a few days of tinkering if something rattles or squeaks, instead of paying €500 (about $550) more for a 4-year warranty.

Once again, ALL IKEA buyers apparently make this same mistake—probably clones of each other… You’re talking about yourself (since you openly admit being an IKEA customer), and then say all IKEA buyers are equally foolish; life is just that simple, either black or white.

ypg schrieb:

The “gem” is always just a synonym for a dumping price, so let’s not kid ourselves.

…briefly, a sharp accusation thrown at me, because I referred to some longtime known and partly even friend craftsmen as “gems.” Apparently, these are only “gems” because I squeeze dumping prices out of them. I don’t know it that way; so @pagoni2020 is talking nonsense and just wants dumping prices from his known craftsmen. That’s what you imply!

ypg schrieb:

For most, it’s all about ‘what’s the final price?’

…oh yes, once again “most” here in the forum, the always bargain-hungry… the others, of course.

ypg schrieb:

‘what’s the final price?’ And not only with foreign-born citizens.

…ah, so not just IKEA customers, these “others” get lumped in too… always a hit.

ypg schrieb:

(You will probably start a thread here too): ‘why do I have to pay the sky-high prices from the craftsman when I can get the same stuff cheaper at Reuter and co.?’, ‘Isn’t that extortion?’, ‘Help, I’m at the mercy of the subcontractor—he wants to profit from me—what can I do?’, ‘Who has experience with MyHammer?’, ‘Whose fault is the leak behind the tile?’... coming next.

This was again meant for @Shiny86, who received your so-called prophetic abilities in response; doesn’t sound very flattering, does it? I don’t find her thread objectionable.

ypg schrieb:

Do people get upset about a higher inspection price when buying a Range Rover, Porsche, or Mercedes AMG?

Just randomly blaming others for stupidity so that I’ll look TOP, of course.

ypg schrieb:

because everything else would just be idiotic.

Someone being called an idiot or acting idiotically just because they (or I) do things differently than you think possible; a nice label… and yes, I do it differently and it works fine.

ypg schrieb:

that most thread starters and questioners only focus on the bottom right corner – quality doesn’t matter, as long as they save money!

…once again, so everyone finally understands that most thread starters here in the forum are, in your opinion, just “price vultures” who don’t care about quality.

ypg schrieb:

that it’s usually not granted or comprehensible for the consumer to make profits or turnover.

…again “usually,” although you spoke of your own experience. But “most” are not dumb, and why shouldn’t one wish a craftsman/seller to make their margin? Don’t you really see what you’re pushing onto “most” people just because you personally feel that way?

ypg schrieb:

and yes: some provocation also belongs in the forum

…apparently only if it comes from you.

ypg schrieb:

Where exactly did I write something remotely like that? In terms of content??

See the quotes above; also, opinions do not always concern only you, otherwise you would have been named directly.

ypg schrieb:

That may be so. But to attribute words or opinions to me that I never said is just cheeky. Accusing me of things here is also not right. Feel free to continue, I don’t have to put up with this and such people.
I’m not the one here who thinks they’ve done everything right. The Mr. Perfect is you, @pagoni2020 … all done perfectly.

You’re the sensitive one, as can be read, and the cheeky one (maybe even true), because you defend yourself against perceived unfairness. You enjoy attacking verbally, also whole groups (“IKEA customers,” “foreign-born citizens,” or “most forum members are bargain-hungry”), and now you complain when someone barks back in a similar tone. Or should you just take verbal hits? You even explicitly call for provocation, but apparently only your own.

ypg schrieb:

and yes: some provocation also belongs in the forum

[QUOTE="ypg, post: 425135, member: 12491"]
Just because I take your quote and criticize it, must there immediately be counter-criticism? That’s like being a sore loser, just childish…

Excuse me? You criticize me directly and then I’m told not to “counter-criticize.” At how many positive points would one be allowed to respond to your personal criticism?

ypg schrieb:

I’m not the one here who thinks they’ve done everything right.

Oops, we have something in common –

ypg schrieb:

The Mr. Perfect is you, @pagoni2020 … all done perfectly.

You flatterer… it must be true, because my wife also tells me that every hour.

Between us, everyone else ignore this: you are quick-witted, and I am similar. I sincerely offer to heroically endure this together, because that’s partly what keeps a forum alive, as you yourself write. Of course, I don’t want to upset you here, and if I did, I apologize! I even still prefer your consistently straightforward criticism clearly over any small talk. Let’s call it good, or if you want, throw one back in your usual tender way, and I will certainly endure it. Regardless, I’ll include you in my evening prayers now – good night!

The heat must be getting to your head if you’re commenting on everything again as you please, even though everything has already been discussed... hehe. ... this will probably turn into an endless loop

I am still searching.
I now have a transparent offer from the local kitchen retailer.

Kitchen cabinets €12,600
Ceramic countertop €5,400
Sink, faucet, and accessories like a waste system are additional.
He says it would be cheaper if I buy the electrical appliances myself. For a flat fee of €200, he will install them for me.

Originally, I wanted a matching design line for the two ovens—the Black Carbon Accent Line from Bosch. Apparently, these can only be purchased through kitchen studios or are sold online only at the recommended retail price.

At the moment, I can’t really judge the cabinet price. I’m unsure if it’s reasonable or if he raised the price of the wood since I’m buying the appliances myself.

On one hand, I find it a bit stressful to buy the appliances separately, and I would be missing out on the coordinated design line.

I wonder if it might actually be just as good to pay less for the cabinets but have someone else earn more on the appliances, so that I end up paying the same total price but get better appliances and pay less for the cabinets.

Does anyone have advice or can assess the cabinet price?
Is €12,600 just for the wood expensive?
It’s not a premium brand; I would say mid-range.

This includes six 60cm (24 inches) wide tall cabinets—two for ovens, one for a fridge-freezer combination, and three pantry cabinets with pull-out drawers. All handleless.
Plus cabinets for a 3.10 x 1.20 meter (10.2 x 3.9 feet) island.

If this price for the cabinetry is normal, the offer is interesting.

Who is the manufacturer?
Considering the amount of furniture with handleless fronts (by the way, that means higher cost and less storage space, which I had to learn myself), it seems normal for a mid-range product. Not particularly cheap, but not expensive either.