ᐅ Single-family home, approximately 160 m², Bauhaus style; first design draft based on our requirements
Created on: 23 Aug 2019 22:03
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Notstrom
Hello everyone,
we've been looking forward to this for a long time, and now we can finally share our first draft floor plan/design for discussion. We’re very curious to hear your feedback.
Those of you who have seen my thread before (https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/efh-Bauhausstil-Wohnfläche-180m-mit-Doppelgarage.31853/) know what to expect, and here comes the gem.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 530m² (about 5,700 sq ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio (Grundflächenzahl): see screenshot
Floor area ratio (Geschossflächenzahl): see screenshot
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see screenshot
Edge development: see screenshot
Number of parking spaces: double garage
Number of floors: 2
Roof style: flat roof
Architectural style: Bauhaus
Orientation
Maximum height/limitations
Other requirements
The green highlighted area represents our plot => Parcel 8479
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Bauhaus style, flat roof
Basement, floors: Basement yes, ground floor, upper floor
Number of residents, ages: 3 people, potentially 4: 33, 30, 2 years old
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Initially planned 180 m² (about 1,940 sq ft) on two stories, now reduced to 160 m² (about 1,720 sq ft) after feedback, with the ground floor slightly larger than the upper floor, around 75–85 m² (810–915 sq ft)
Office: Family use or home office? Yes, in the basement (guest room <-> office)
Overnight guests per year: Hard to say, probably about 10 times per year with 2–5 guests each time
Open or closed architecture: Rather open
Conservative or modern construction: Rather modern
Open kitchen, cooking island: Island
Number of dining spaces: 1
Fireplace: Yes
Music/sound system wall: Our soundbar is sufficient
Balcony, roof terrace: Maybe, undecided (Architect’s comment: How often do you really go out for a beer on the balcony/roof terrace instead of the nice terrace on the ground floor?)
Garage, carport: Double garage, possibly single garage with carport
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: Small but nice (a few tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchinis…)
House Design
Planning by: Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? We like the architecture with the two offset rectangles, though we wonder if the extra cost (no price estimate yet) justifies this. We believe it is structurally more challenging than a simple "cube."
What don’t you like? Why? The size of the bedroom/walk-in closet/children’s room. It feels like the bedroom is missing 2–5 m² (about 20–55 sq ft), as is the second children’s room.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: The initial draft was around 550,000 EUR
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 620,000 EUR
Preferred heating technology: Indifferent, but tendency toward heat pump.
If you had to give up something, which details/finishes
- You can give up: the current shape (nice but a cube would also do)
- You cannot give up: space
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Standard design from the planner? This is the second design resulting from last week’s discussion with us, and we find it very successful.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Absolutely, plus the idea he had to move the kitchen during development. The guest room has now moved to the basement, allowing more space on the ground floor (beforehand, it felt quite cramped and “squeezed”).
What makes it especially good or bad in your opinion? The architecture
...and now I’ll leave you alone with our house
Upper floor plan:
Basement:
we've been looking forward to this for a long time, and now we can finally share our first draft floor plan/design for discussion. We’re very curious to hear your feedback.
Those of you who have seen my thread before (https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/efh-Bauhausstil-Wohnfläche-180m-mit-Doppelgarage.31853/) know what to expect, and here comes the gem.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 530m² (about 5,700 sq ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio (Grundflächenzahl): see screenshot
Floor area ratio (Geschossflächenzahl): see screenshot
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see screenshot
Edge development: see screenshot
Number of parking spaces: double garage
Number of floors: 2
Roof style: flat roof
Architectural style: Bauhaus
Orientation
Maximum height/limitations
Other requirements
The green highlighted area represents our plot => Parcel 8479
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Bauhaus style, flat roof
Basement, floors: Basement yes, ground floor, upper floor
Number of residents, ages: 3 people, potentially 4: 33, 30, 2 years old
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Initially planned 180 m² (about 1,940 sq ft) on two stories, now reduced to 160 m² (about 1,720 sq ft) after feedback, with the ground floor slightly larger than the upper floor, around 75–85 m² (810–915 sq ft)
Office: Family use or home office? Yes, in the basement (guest room <-> office)
Overnight guests per year: Hard to say, probably about 10 times per year with 2–5 guests each time
Open or closed architecture: Rather open
Conservative or modern construction: Rather modern
Open kitchen, cooking island: Island
Number of dining spaces: 1
Fireplace: Yes
Music/sound system wall: Our soundbar is sufficient
Balcony, roof terrace: Maybe, undecided (Architect’s comment: How often do you really go out for a beer on the balcony/roof terrace instead of the nice terrace on the ground floor?)
Garage, carport: Double garage, possibly single garage with carport
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: Small but nice (a few tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchinis…)
House Design
Planning by: Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? We like the architecture with the two offset rectangles, though we wonder if the extra cost (no price estimate yet) justifies this. We believe it is structurally more challenging than a simple "cube."
What don’t you like? Why? The size of the bedroom/walk-in closet/children’s room. It feels like the bedroom is missing 2–5 m² (about 20–55 sq ft), as is the second children’s room.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: The initial draft was around 550,000 EUR
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 620,000 EUR
Preferred heating technology: Indifferent, but tendency toward heat pump.
If you had to give up something, which details/finishes
- You can give up: the current shape (nice but a cube would also do)
- You cannot give up: space
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Standard design from the planner? This is the second design resulting from last week’s discussion with us, and we find it very successful.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Absolutely, plus the idea he had to move the kitchen during development. The guest room has now moved to the basement, allowing more space on the ground floor (beforehand, it felt quite cramped and “squeezed”).
What makes it especially good or bad in your opinion? The architecture
...and now I’ll leave you alone with our house
Upper floor plan:
Basement:
kbt09 schrieb:
Clearly ... bedroom through walk-in closet, then the kink disappears.
It’s also enough to shift the bathroom wall including doors slightly to the right on the plan – if a walk-in closet enclosed on three sides is absolutely necessary.Hello everyone,
First of all, many thanks for the feedback. I am truly grateful to all of you.
About yesterday’s floor plan: It was created in a very "efficient" session. We worked our way from the basement through the ground floor to the upper floor, but the upper floor was done quite “quickly.” The architect actually finished it somewhat roughly at our request so that we would at least have something to take away by Friday. The corner by the bedroom will definitely be redesigned.
We don’t want the urinal; with us, it’s strict seating-only, and so far, everyone has really kept to that, at least we believe so.
The "corner" by the bedroom/walk-in closet will definitely be addressed, see my initial comment above. As for the "corner" near the kids' room, that could be eliminated by widening the staircase, right?
Dear Katja, thank you for your remark and your passion. That will not stay as it is.
Are you referring to the whole house or just the staircase? We actually want the staircase to be very bright. I mean, the part of the staircase on the ground floor is first "closed off" by the garage wall, but the part above the garage we want to have as bright as possible with a large glass element/window/... The staircase is going to be a landing staircase, which means the wall won’t be fully extended upwards, but (at least how we imagine it) will look something like this (including the window as described): (see attachments 1 and 2)
That’s also an option... Then we would be back at my wife’s preference...
Remove the bedroom doors? You mean enter through the walk-in closet? Just quickly: @11ant had heavily criticized this back then (feeling of space in walk-in closet/bedroom). That at least partly made sense to me, in the sense of: "You enter your bedroom and see a big wall front"... Am I imagining this, or is that really an issue? What do you think? Or is that common practice nowadays?
What’s wrong with a skylight? We saw the benefit mainly for daylight; I guess I don’t understand the downside.
Suggestions for the bathroom sound good and make sense. As mentioned, the upper floor was done rather roughly and not fully planned last evening.
Without a skylight, the guest toilet wouldn’t have any natural light. That would be a bit unfortunate, don’t you think?
First of all, many thanks for the feedback. I am truly grateful to all of you.
About yesterday’s floor plan: It was created in a very "efficient" session. We worked our way from the basement through the ground floor to the upper floor, but the upper floor was done quite “quickly.” The architect actually finished it somewhat roughly at our request so that we would at least have something to take away by Friday. The corner by the bedroom will definitely be redesigned.
spyfromtheeast schrieb:
I would find those "odd" corners in the hallway on the upper floor disruptive, especially the ones by the bedroom door and the stairs. Just a quick sketch, but I think this would make more sense:
I would try to design the bedroom entrance at a 45-degree angle. That way, you can also turn left directly into the walk-in closet. Additionally, I would install a door from the bedroom to the bathroom. If you need to get up to use the restroom at night, it's a shorter route.
Isn't a urinal planned in the guest toilet on the ground floor? There seems to be space, and I find it quite practical. Especially if you have many friends visiting, the toilet stays cleaner afterward.
Best regards, thespyfromtheeast.
We don’t want the urinal; with us, it’s strict seating-only, and so far, everyone has really kept to that, at least we believe so.
The "corner" by the bedroom/walk-in closet will definitely be addressed, see my initial comment above. As for the "corner" near the kids' room, that could be eliminated by widening the staircase, right?
kaho674 schrieb:
That kink in the wall on the upper floor is not serious, is it?
I don’t understand how someone could hand that over to a client! You’re paying hundreds of thousands, and the planner can’t even draw a proper wall. As frustrating as it is for me to say, it’s just sloppy. You have to see that the bathroom wall has to be 2cm (1 inch) smaller.
Dear Katja, thank you for your remark and your passion. That will not stay as it is.
kaho674 schrieb:
Otherwise, it’s a matter of taste. The wall by the staircase would not be my choice, since the window light upstairs has less chance to illuminate the ground floor hallway. I still find the door to the dining area too small and the routes too long when carrying shopping bags. I like opening up the hallway on the ground floor.
Are you referring to the whole house or just the staircase? We actually want the staircase to be very bright. I mean, the part of the staircase on the ground floor is first "closed off" by the garage wall, but the part above the garage we want to have as bright as possible with a large glass element/window/... The staircase is going to be a landing staircase, which means the wall won’t be fully extended upwards, but (at least how we imagine it) will look something like this (including the window as described): (see attachments 1 and 2)
ypg schrieb:
Haha... well, that must be due to the 3-meter (approx. 10-foot) cabinet.
I don’t get it either and would skip having two doors in the bedroom.
That’s also an option... Then we would be back at my wife’s preference...
bortel schrieb:
Remove the bedroom doors and enter through the walk-in closet. That already looks reasonable.
I actually find this a very good design now. I would just implement the glass element by the kitchen for more light in the hallway.
Remove the bedroom doors? You mean enter through the walk-in closet? Just quickly: @11ant had heavily criticized this back then (feeling of space in walk-in closet/bedroom). That at least partly made sense to me, in the sense of: "You enter your bedroom and see a big wall front"... Am I imagining this, or is that really an issue? What do you think? Or is that common practice nowadays?
kbt09 schrieb:
Clearly … enter the bedroom through the walk-in closet, then the kink disappears.
I would also reconsider the skylights in the bathroom and bedroom … rather a regular window to the right of the bed, and in the bathroom, place the bathtub where the washbasin is, the washbasin on the wall adjacent to the bedroom, and then either two regular windows or one wide window.
Why a skylight in the guest toilet?
What’s wrong with a skylight? We saw the benefit mainly for daylight; I guess I don’t understand the downside.
Suggestions for the bathroom sound good and make sense. As mentioned, the upper floor was done rather roughly and not fully planned last evening.
Without a skylight, the guest toilet wouldn’t have any natural light. That would be a bit unfortunate, don’t you think?
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Matthew0313 Nov 2019 10:28I found the old upper floor plan with access through the dressing room much, much better. The advantages regarding different wake-up times of partners, and so on, have been well discussed.
I don’t share 11ants' concerns about the view. I actually find the enclosed bedroom in your previous plan quite cozy, nicely tucked away.
I don’t share 11ants' concerns about the view. I actually find the enclosed bedroom in your previous plan quite cozy, nicely tucked away.
Matthew03 schrieb:
I thought the old upstairs plan with access through the walk-in closet was much better. The advantages regarding different wake-up times between partners, etc., have been mentioned often enough.
I don’t share 11ants’ concerns about the layout. I actually find the enclosed bedroom in your previous plan quite cozy, nicely tucked away. Wake-up times? Advantages? Am I misunderstanding, or doesn’t having two doors solve the issue of different wake-up schedules?
The stairwell wall is only as high as the handrail – this wasn’t clear in the sketch (walls that reach ceiling height are usually shown in a different color). So I actually find the "handrail" acceptable.
I have no objections to skylights, but I wouldn’t recommend them for the bathrooms. It’s better to divide the windows and install frosted glass at the bottom or use another pattern. Or simply add a curtain, a sheer Roman shade, and so on.
Off-topic: I just saw this on Amazon and instantly fell in love with this absolute kitsch:
My husband just managed to stop me from ordering the film for the guest toilet. But I’m not sure how much longer he can hold me back...
I have no objections to skylights, but I wouldn’t recommend them for the bathrooms. It’s better to divide the windows and install frosted glass at the bottom or use another pattern. Or simply add a curtain, a sheer Roman shade, and so on.
Off-topic: I just saw this on Amazon and instantly fell in love with this absolute kitsch:
My husband just managed to stop me from ordering the film for the guest toilet. But I’m not sure how much longer he can hold me back...
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