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WilhelmRo21 Jan 2019 09:50Hello,
we have chosen a plot of land and would appreciate your feedback on our floor plan.
Zoning plan / restrictions
Plot size: 920m² (9900 sq ft approx.)
Slope: 5.5% over 31m (102 ft) from north to south
Site occupancy index (floor area ratio): 0.4
Floor space index: 0.6
Building window, building line and boundary: 5m (16 ft) setback from the street
Number of storeys: II = ground floor + attic
Roof style: gable roof 45°
Maximum heights / limits: 4.6m (15 ft)
Additional requirements:
Knee walls are only allowed for II = ground floor plus attic buildings and up to a maximum height of 75cm (30 inches), measured from the top edge of the raw ceiling to the bottom edge of the rafter at the outer wall.
The ridge of roof extensions must be at least 0.8m (2 ft 7 inches) lower than the ridge of the main residential building.
Architectural style, roof style, building type: gable roof single-family house
Basement, number of storeys: No basement, ground floor + attic
Number of occupants, ages: He 31, she 28
Office: a little home office + occasional guests
open architecture
modern construction style
open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 6 (or 8 including ends)
Fireplace: No
Garage
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine:
- Geothermal heat pump with deep drilling
- Ventilation system with heat recovery
- Monolithic 36cm (14 inch) brick walls
- Electrically operated roller shutters centrally controlled (via PLC) on the ground floor
- Kitchen island
House design
Designed by:
- Do-it-yourself
Price estimate based on forum experience:
Plot including additional costs: €58k
House including ancillary building costs for ceiling and walls: €450k
Personal budget limit for house including fittings:
€530k
Preferred heating technology:
Geothermal; if not possible, then air source
If you have to give up features / extensions, which ones would you omit:
- Kitchen island
- Geothermal heat
Why was the design created this way?
Based on the forum and what we actually need
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
The sloping ceilings concern me a bit. On the upper floor plan, I drew a 1.2m (4 ft) line, where the ceiling height should be 2m (6 ft 7 inches). I assume a knee wall of 80cm (31 inches) (since 75cm (30 inches) is measured on the outside). Otherwise, we hope you can point out “blind spots” we no longer see 🙂
Thank you in advance for your constructive criticism.
I hope we haven’t forgotten anything.
Best regards
we have chosen a plot of land and would appreciate your feedback on our floor plan.
Zoning plan / restrictions
Plot size: 920m² (9900 sq ft approx.)
Slope: 5.5% over 31m (102 ft) from north to south
Site occupancy index (floor area ratio): 0.4
Floor space index: 0.6
Building window, building line and boundary: 5m (16 ft) setback from the street
Number of storeys: II = ground floor + attic
Roof style: gable roof 45°
Maximum heights / limits: 4.6m (15 ft)
Additional requirements:
Knee walls are only allowed for II = ground floor plus attic buildings and up to a maximum height of 75cm (30 inches), measured from the top edge of the raw ceiling to the bottom edge of the rafter at the outer wall.
The ridge of roof extensions must be at least 0.8m (2 ft 7 inches) lower than the ridge of the main residential building.
Architectural style, roof style, building type: gable roof single-family house
Basement, number of storeys: No basement, ground floor + attic
Number of occupants, ages: He 31, she 28
Office: a little home office + occasional guests
open architecture
modern construction style
open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 6 (or 8 including ends)
Fireplace: No
Garage
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine:
- Geothermal heat pump with deep drilling
- Ventilation system with heat recovery
- Monolithic 36cm (14 inch) brick walls
- Electrically operated roller shutters centrally controlled (via PLC) on the ground floor
- Kitchen island
House design
Designed by:
- Do-it-yourself
Price estimate based on forum experience:
Plot including additional costs: €58k
House including ancillary building costs for ceiling and walls: €450k
Personal budget limit for house including fittings:
€530k
Preferred heating technology:
Geothermal; if not possible, then air source
If you have to give up features / extensions, which ones would you omit:
- Kitchen island
- Geothermal heat
Why was the design created this way?
Based on the forum and what we actually need
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
The sloping ceilings concern me a bit. On the upper floor plan, I drew a 1.2m (4 ft) line, where the ceiling height should be 2m (6 ft 7 inches). I assume a knee wall of 80cm (31 inches) (since 75cm (30 inches) is measured on the outside). Otherwise, we hope you can point out “blind spots” we no longer see 🙂
Thank you in advance for your constructive criticism.
I hope we haven’t forgotten anything.
Best regards
I can’t see how you get two stories with a 75cm (30 inch) knee wall... Are your building permit / planning permission details correct?
Otherwise, quickly: 1.40m (55 inches) between the kitchen work surfaces is too much. One meter (39 inches) or 1.10m (43 inches) is enough.
The children’s rooms are too narrow – really a poor room layout.
Otherwise, quickly: 1.40m (55 inches) between the kitchen work surfaces is too much. One meter (39 inches) or 1.10m (43 inches) is enough.
The children’s rooms are too narrow – really a poor room layout.
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WilhelmRo21 Jan 2019 11:05ypg schrieb:
I don’t see how this can be two stories with a 75cm (30 inches) knee wall... are your specifications from the building permit/planning permission correct? It is not two full stories; it is one story plus an attic, referred to here as I+D.
WilhelmRo schrieb:
The roof slopes worry me a bit. In the floor plan, I drew a 1.2m (4 feet) line for the upper floor, where theoretically the ceiling height should be 2m (6 ft 7 in). ypg schrieb:
1.40m (4 ft 7 in) between the work surfaces in the kitchen is too much. One meter (3 ft 3 in) or 1.10m (3 ft 7 in) is enough. Thanks! That helps, I was still unsure about that.
Regards
I am missing far too many measurements. Overall, quite a few things might not work as you currently envision them.
Examples of things I am wondering about:
Can you walk safely upright past the bed despite the sloped ceiling? How much space is there between the bed and the exterior wall? Is it really comfortable to always have the door at the head of the bed or to walk past it there?
How wide are the children's rooms, and how much standing space do they offer? Furnishing will be difficult anyway due to the narrow, elongated shape, and then the wardrobe always has to be placed in the middle of the room to keep the window accessible. Would it not be appropriate to skip the walk-in closet and utility room if the children's rooms cannot be properly furnished otherwise?
If the shower doesn’t have a door, the path to the toilet may get a bit wet.
On the ground floor, the issues are more about details at first glance. For example: place the guest room door on the other side of the room with about 70cm (28 inches) distance from the wall. Then there's space for a wardrobe in the room behind it, and in the hallway the coat closet can be placed closer to the front door. Also, try drawing in the tall cabinets you want for the kitchen.
Edit: for us, a distance of about 125cm (49 inches) between kitchen worklines has proven to be very good. Enough space to pass each other comfortably and to leave a drawer open occasionally. I have actually tested in several kitchen showrooms how it feels to carry a pot from the stove to the sink and to take proper steps (preferably two full steps when turning instead of 1 1/4 awkward ones...). The positioning of the stove and sink should, of course, also be considered.
Examples of things I am wondering about:
Can you walk safely upright past the bed despite the sloped ceiling? How much space is there between the bed and the exterior wall? Is it really comfortable to always have the door at the head of the bed or to walk past it there?
How wide are the children's rooms, and how much standing space do they offer? Furnishing will be difficult anyway due to the narrow, elongated shape, and then the wardrobe always has to be placed in the middle of the room to keep the window accessible. Would it not be appropriate to skip the walk-in closet and utility room if the children's rooms cannot be properly furnished otherwise?
If the shower doesn’t have a door, the path to the toilet may get a bit wet.
On the ground floor, the issues are more about details at first glance. For example: place the guest room door on the other side of the room with about 70cm (28 inches) distance from the wall. Then there's space for a wardrobe in the room behind it, and in the hallway the coat closet can be placed closer to the front door. Also, try drawing in the tall cabinets you want for the kitchen.
Edit: for us, a distance of about 125cm (49 inches) between kitchen worklines has proven to be very good. Enough space to pass each other comfortably and to leave a drawer open occasionally. I have actually tested in several kitchen showrooms how it feels to carry a pot from the stove to the sink and to take proper steps (preferably two full steps when turning instead of 1 1/4 awkward ones...). The positioning of the stove and sink should, of course, also be considered.
That is misleading
1.20, so your 2 meters (6 feet 7 inches) line fits for a sketch.
Bedroom mentioned: it is difficult to get into bed. The bed would have to be placed under the slope to make it at least somewhat cozy.
The utility room is used as storage space in your case and is quite difficult to use under the slope here.
Me too.
Allow yourselves a bit more floor area downstairs → utility room downstairs, storage room, larger office.
Then it will be more relaxed upstairs. You can make the rooms more usable and slightly raise the knee wall inside by building it out a bit.
WilhelmRo schrieb:
Number of floors: II = ground floor + attic
1.20, so your 2 meters (6 feet 7 inches) line fits for a sketch.
Bedroom mentioned: it is difficult to get into bed. The bed would have to be placed under the slope to make it at least somewhat cozy.
The utility room is used as storage space in your case and is quite difficult to use under the slope here.
WilhelmRo schrieb:
The roof slopes bother me a bit.
Me too.
Allow yourselves a bit more floor area downstairs → utility room downstairs, storage room, larger office.
Then it will be more relaxed upstairs. You can make the rooms more usable and slightly raise the knee wall inside by building it out a bit.
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