ᐅ Preliminary floor plan design for a 220 m² single-family house
Created on: 20 Jun 2017 22:41
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello!
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
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R.Hotzenplotz21 Jul 2017 18:30Climbee schrieb:
So, I have now gone through this thread: North is top left, right?Yes.
As I mentioned earlier, we are aware that we gave the architect many specifications regarding what is important to us. We told him that the orientation is not a priority for us. If we had insisted on planning based on that, it would still be ongoing in two years. We have never cared about it before; it never bothered us where we lived in various rental properties. We also don’t want to sit in the midday sun... etc.
Therefore, we don’t want to complicate things here with the orientation of the individual rooms. It simply is not important to us.
Climbee schrieb:
That means the cloakroom and guest toilet on the ground floor got the prime side of the house. I mean, pooping in a beautiful setting has its charm, but this might be a bit much....That’s because we wanted the kitchen facing the street. So what else should be on the other side if not the cloakroom and toilet? From the office, where I spend more time than in the dining or living room, I want to have a view of the garden.
Climbee schrieb:
I would skip one thing: the direct access from the garage to the pantry. It’s a nice convenience if it fits, but in your case it limits you.As I said, from a budget perspective, we could manage without major cuts on the ground and upper floors. Still, the access to the pantry is not mandatory. The pantry will not stay as it is anyway. We have already briefly sketched some ideas. It will become more square in shape. But none of this is set in stone. I’m not forcing any decisions here. Rushing is a bad advisor in such matters.
Climbee schrieb:
Then the kitchen can move over to the south side, the office/guest room stays, terrace moves from west to southwest, so the kitchen also has terrace access AND faces the street.
Children’s rooms on the south side, utility room to the northwest, where you could create an exit onto the garage roof and possibly green it for use as a drying area. Bedroom, dressing room, and bathroom can remain as they are.
I’ll sketch this as a rough idea—my first concept uses a half-landing staircase, or would it be an option for you to access the upper floor from the living area? Then you could use a straight staircase to separate the office space from the living room, which fits your idea that the office should be more connected to the living area.
I’ll gladly sketch the room layout roughly, once with a straight staircase, once with a half-landing staircase. However, the drawback is that you would no longer have access to the pantry from the garage. That was always my wish, but I think it’s something you can live without.Wow, thanks for your commitment. I gratefully accept the suggestion; maybe it will help us.
I don’t see the option to lead the stairs to the upper floor from the living room. That would cost so much usable space. The central location in the house for us is the couch → TV setup. Also, regarding sound transmission upstairs, that option is suboptimal; so a firm no to this variant.
The idea that the office should be connected to the living area? For us, it was mainly about having the office face the garden. The connection to the dining area via a door is nice, and the quick access to the kitchen as well. But it must be a separate room with a lockable door. A purely visual separation by the stairs wouldn’t be acceptable.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
It can also be a spiral staircase. Not ideal, but it would be one option. However, several users in this thread have said that for a house like this, only a straight staircase would be suitable, or that a straight staircase fits perfectly with our floor plan. But that was based on the assumption (which seems to be incorrect – the willingness to have a hip roof argues against it) that stylistic consistency was being sought. Up to that point, we had seen: a straightforward design with a generous entrance area (which might fit well for around 250 or 280 m² (2690 or 3015 sq ft), but is already ambitious for 220 m² (2370 sq ft)) and a dominant floor plan axis "perpendicular to the entrance"; basically a flat-roof bungalow that would have been called "American" in the 1960s, just two stories. In such a design, an L-shaped staircase tucked into a corner "cannot" work. But since you already see the setback of the facade in the dining area (and thus at the only point where I agree with your planner’s view) as consistent within the overall design, this means the question of the staircase must be reconsidered. Apparently, some architectural associations evoked by your design have been valued as more stylistically defining than you consider important. In this sense, the advice was not quite on target.
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R.Hotzenplotz22 Jul 2017 09:53Regarding the utility room again. The original 6.38 m² (69 sq ft) should be just enough, right? It probably won’t be sufficient for a sink dedicated to condensate water, but my wife thinks the sink in the nearby children’s bathroom will be enough for her.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Regarding the utility room again. The original 6.38m² (69 sq ft) should just be enough, right? It probably won’t be sufficient for a washbasin for the condensate water, but my wife says the washbasin in the adjacent kids’ bathroom will be enough for her.We have about 3m² (32 sq ft) upstairs for 2 people... of course without a washbasin, since the water can easily be disposed of in the neighboring bathroom.
That’s about 6 steps through two already open doors.
Regards, Yvonne
6 square meters (65 square feet) can feel like a lot or very little space. It especially depends on where there are areas for furniture, doors, windows, and so on.
I think you’re trying to put a positive spin on things. Of course, you can use the sink in the kids’ bathroom. But at this price range, others might expect something more comfortable or functional.
Speaking of functionality: have you noticed that the door you need to carry laundry through is a narrow one? Also, I would carefully consider how the door to the parents’ area is designed—is it more in the way on the way to the bed or the bathroom? Perhaps a sliding door might be necessary?
Yes, these are small details. But as some other commenters have already mentioned, in this price range most people expect more than just “it sort of works.”
Edit: Since we’re talking details—how do you plan to separate the shower in the kids’ bathroom? A curtain? The door would probably need to open into the shower itself because of the ceramic fixtures right next to it?
I think you’re trying to put a positive spin on things. Of course, you can use the sink in the kids’ bathroom. But at this price range, others might expect something more comfortable or functional.
Speaking of functionality: have you noticed that the door you need to carry laundry through is a narrow one? Also, I would carefully consider how the door to the parents’ area is designed—is it more in the way on the way to the bed or the bathroom? Perhaps a sliding door might be necessary?
Yes, these are small details. But as some other commenters have already mentioned, in this price range most people expect more than just “it sort of works.”
Edit: Since we’re talking details—how do you plan to separate the shower in the kids’ bathroom? A curtain? The door would probably need to open into the shower itself because of the ceramic fixtures right next to it?
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