ᐅ Kitchen consultation: which brand for kitchen and appliances?
Created on: 19 Nov 2021 09:27
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Pacc666
Hello,
We are currently planning our kitchen.
Since it’s a big and unclear jungle and it’s hard to compare everything, I wanted to ask for your help.
We believe that when you go to a showroom and don’t exactly know what you want or need, you might end up paying too much.
I wanted to ask which kitchen brands are good in terms of quality and durability, without being excessively overpriced.
We basically want a mid-range kitchen for our house.
Kitchen cabinets: Nobilia or Nolte kitchens (please suggest other good brands that meet our criteria).
Kitchen appliances: Neff, Bosch, Siemens, or which appliance brands would you recommend? The appliances should have good functions and offer comfort.
Sink: no idea.
I hope you can recommend good brands for cabinets, appliances, and sinks based on your own positive experiences.
Maybe there are also kitchen builders among you who can provide advice as well.
We are currently planning our kitchen.
Since it’s a big and unclear jungle and it’s hard to compare everything, I wanted to ask for your help.
We believe that when you go to a showroom and don’t exactly know what you want or need, you might end up paying too much.
I wanted to ask which kitchen brands are good in terms of quality and durability, without being excessively overpriced.
We basically want a mid-range kitchen for our house.
Kitchen cabinets: Nobilia or Nolte kitchens (please suggest other good brands that meet our criteria).
Kitchen appliances: Neff, Bosch, Siemens, or which appliance brands would you recommend? The appliances should have good functions and offer comfort.
Sink: no idea.
I hope you can recommend good brands for cabinets, appliances, and sinks based on your own positive experiences.
Maybe there are also kitchen builders among you who can provide advice as well.
tomtom79 schrieb:
The carcasses are not made of particleboard but MDF unless they have changed it.
In which country were the carcasses manufactured? I can’t confirm that..Well, I can just about distinguish MDF (for the fronts) and particleboard (for the carcasses). 😉 I can’t say where they are made right now (where is that stated?), but definitely “cheap” particleboard.
i_b_n_a_n schrieb:
I can no longer agree with that. I just assembled my Metod kitchen and was mostly frustrated by the ridiculous places where Ikea cuts costs, leading to lower quality. I’ve also had my (bad) experience with an Ikea cabinet, which you can read about here. And it wasn’t even cheap. So I would discourage that.
ypg schrieb:
Tell me... are you the one who asked where to buy furniture? You really need someone to guide you along, I want to apologize to you, @Pacc666, even though it was meant well. I confused the follow-up questions from @Pwnage619 with yours as the original poster. The usernames look somewhat similar. Or are you both the same person?
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Georgian201920 Nov 2021 10:53Pacc666 schrieb:
Hello,
we are currently planning our kitchen.
Since it’s a complex and confusing topic and it’s hard to compare everything, I wanted to ask for your help.
We believe that if you go to a showroom and don’t exactly know what you want or need, you might end up overcharged.
I wanted to ask which kitchen brands are good in terms of quality and durability but not excessively overpriced.
We basically want a mid-range kitchen for our house.
Kitchen cabinets: Nobilia or Nolte kitchens (please suggest other good brands that meet our criteria).
Kitchen appliances: Neff, Bosch, Siemens, or which appliance brands would you recommend? The appliances should have good features and offer convenience.
Sink: no idea.
I hope you can recommend good brands for cabinets, appliances, and sinks based on your experience.
Maybe there are kitchen builders among you who can also help me. We have our third kitchen from Nolte and are satisfied with the price-performance ratio. Siemens/Bosch or, if budget allows, Miele. Blanco sinks are commonly used; we have Villeroy & Boch and are happy with them.
You are right, the carcasses are made of particle board. The country of manufacture—Germany, Italy, or Romania—is printed on the carcass where the back panel is nailed on.
What surprises me, however, is your statement that there are definitely more cheaply manufactured kitchens that cost more.
Here are a few examples that are possible.
What surprises me, however, is your statement that there are definitely more cheaply manufactured kitchens that cost more.
Here are a few examples that are possible.
This image illustrates well how price differences can occur:
Same kitchen, same quality, same satisfaction, but not necessarily the same price.
For example, consider the visible doors on the island: are they doors with standard cabinets (two shelves) behind them?
Cost-neutral.
Or are there drawers behind? Four cabinets could add around €1000. Or are these actually pull-out drawers, which is hard to tell in the picture? If so, you should probably plan for a price difference of about €1500.
In the row of tall built-in cabinets, I can see a top panel about 20cm (8 inches) high. Is this just a cost-neutral filler panel? Or does the budget allow for flip-up doors to be installed there, creating additional storage space? You wouldn’t notice a difference of around €500, but the kitchen would have more storage capacity.
By the way, for me, the two compartments above the fridge are a no-go, especially considering the care taken with the cabinet row.
The sink appears quite narrow, which can be sufficient—especially if there is a larger utility sink in the laundry room. But some don’t have that, so you would need to pay extra for a larger sink.
Unlike thicker countertops, the narrow countertop also hides an additional cost factor. The right side panel costs extra, and in planning a more affordable kitchen, this would be omitted.
I believe a toe kick is also cheaper than stylish legs supporting the base cabinets.
A conservative kitchen planner who prefers wall cabinets with a crown molding, for example, would end up paying extra for the elaborate trims above and below the wall cabinets. Often, lighting is included by the kitchen manufacturer. In this example, the lighting is handled separately, which reduces the kitchen studio’s invoice.
Incidentally, once this kitchen is in use, the island will likely look cluttered, because sooner or later knife blocks, notes, oil and vinegar cruets, salt and pepper, small appliances, etc. will collect on the countertop—for me, an element is missing here.
Same kitchen, same quality, same satisfaction, but not necessarily the same price.
For example, consider the visible doors on the island: are they doors with standard cabinets (two shelves) behind them?
Cost-neutral.
Or are there drawers behind? Four cabinets could add around €1000. Or are these actually pull-out drawers, which is hard to tell in the picture? If so, you should probably plan for a price difference of about €1500.
In the row of tall built-in cabinets, I can see a top panel about 20cm (8 inches) high. Is this just a cost-neutral filler panel? Or does the budget allow for flip-up doors to be installed there, creating additional storage space? You wouldn’t notice a difference of around €500, but the kitchen would have more storage capacity.
By the way, for me, the two compartments above the fridge are a no-go, especially considering the care taken with the cabinet row.
The sink appears quite narrow, which can be sufficient—especially if there is a larger utility sink in the laundry room. But some don’t have that, so you would need to pay extra for a larger sink.
Unlike thicker countertops, the narrow countertop also hides an additional cost factor. The right side panel costs extra, and in planning a more affordable kitchen, this would be omitted.
I believe a toe kick is also cheaper than stylish legs supporting the base cabinets.
A conservative kitchen planner who prefers wall cabinets with a crown molding, for example, would end up paying extra for the elaborate trims above and below the wall cabinets. Often, lighting is included by the kitchen manufacturer. In this example, the lighting is handled separately, which reduces the kitchen studio’s invoice.
Incidentally, once this kitchen is in use, the island will likely look cluttered, because sooner or later knife blocks, notes, oil and vinegar cruets, salt and pepper, small appliances, etc. will collect on the countertop—for me, an element is missing here.
ypg schrieb:
With pull-outs behind? 4 cabinets could cost around 1000€.Two large drawers with an additional drawer behind cost an extra 65 euros. The 60cm (24 inches) cabinet costs 180-220 euros including the fronts. The top panel costs 60 euros.The entire island without appliances is about 1200 euros, maximum 1500.
And the advantage is transparency, not some kind of imaginary block calculation.
I estimate the kitchen would cost a maximum of 5000 euros for self-installation, excluding appliances.
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