Hi everyone,
things are starting to get serious for us. It’s time to think about the basic locations and quantities of power outlets, light fixtures, network connections, satellite connections, and conduit pipes.
I’ve roughly sketched and attached my current planning status. Maybe someone has helpful feedback for me? Does anyone see a spot where I definitely need a network connection, conduit, or something similar?
To explain:
· We’re also installing a controlled mechanical ventilation system, which will be embedded in the screed of the basement ceiling and the ground floor ceiling. Because of this, we can’t lay conduits inside the screed insulation, as that would interfere with the ventilation’s oval ducts. I’m also generally not a fan of conduits with bends and curves. Therefore, my plan is to run conduits vertically down the walls to the basement whenever possible and then gather the cables there in cable trays.
· The current plan shows a full installation of satellite connections and network outlets. All of these will be laid in conduits that will only be filled “when needed.” Child 1 is currently 16 months old, and Child 2 is still in planning. So it will be at least 10 years before satellite or network connections are needed in the children’s rooms. By then, there will probably be entirely different technologies.
· The recessed ceiling spots will be cast into the precast concrete ceiling, so there will be no suspended ceiling.
· The various conduits on the ground floor will simply run straight down to the basement. From there, I can route the cables openly below the ceiling to the switch, satellite system, or 5.1 receiver (which will be located under the TV in the living room).
· Likewise, the cables for network and satellite from the guest room, living room, and bedroom will be laid in conduits running straight down. The endpoint is again at the basement ceiling exit. From there, cable routing will be either open or in cable trays.
· In the office on the upper floor, there is a small tech shaft that runs down through the pantry on the ground floor into the technical/laundry basement. The cables for the office and Child 1’s room will run through this shaft.
· Child 2’s room is still a bit of a concern. The room is completely cantilevered over the living room, so there is no wall underneath where I could run a conduit down. I would have to somehow work through the dressing room. In the worst case, I’d route the cables openly in the dressing room and then together with the bedroom cables down to the basement.
· In general, I am only having conduits and empty boxes prepared inside the walls; I will install the network and satellite system myself.
Thanks and best regards,
Andreas
things are starting to get serious for us. It’s time to think about the basic locations and quantities of power outlets, light fixtures, network connections, satellite connections, and conduit pipes.
I’ve roughly sketched and attached my current planning status. Maybe someone has helpful feedback for me? Does anyone see a spot where I definitely need a network connection, conduit, or something similar?
To explain:
· We’re also installing a controlled mechanical ventilation system, which will be embedded in the screed of the basement ceiling and the ground floor ceiling. Because of this, we can’t lay conduits inside the screed insulation, as that would interfere with the ventilation’s oval ducts. I’m also generally not a fan of conduits with bends and curves. Therefore, my plan is to run conduits vertically down the walls to the basement whenever possible and then gather the cables there in cable trays.
· The current plan shows a full installation of satellite connections and network outlets. All of these will be laid in conduits that will only be filled “when needed.” Child 1 is currently 16 months old, and Child 2 is still in planning. So it will be at least 10 years before satellite or network connections are needed in the children’s rooms. By then, there will probably be entirely different technologies.
· The recessed ceiling spots will be cast into the precast concrete ceiling, so there will be no suspended ceiling.
· The various conduits on the ground floor will simply run straight down to the basement. From there, I can route the cables openly below the ceiling to the switch, satellite system, or 5.1 receiver (which will be located under the TV in the living room).
· Likewise, the cables for network and satellite from the guest room, living room, and bedroom will be laid in conduits running straight down. The endpoint is again at the basement ceiling exit. From there, cable routing will be either open or in cable trays.
· In the office on the upper floor, there is a small tech shaft that runs down through the pantry on the ground floor into the technical/laundry basement. The cables for the office and Child 1’s room will run through this shaft.
· Child 2’s room is still a bit of a concern. The room is completely cantilevered over the living room, so there is no wall underneath where I could run a conduit down. I would have to somehow work through the dressing room. In the worst case, I’d route the cables openly in the dressing room and then together with the bedroom cables down to the basement.
· In general, I am only having conduits and empty boxes prepared inside the walls; I will install the network and satellite system myself.
Thanks and best regards,
Andreas
andimann schrieb:
Touché! You’re right. A spotlight and a regular lamp together is a bad idea for the kitchen.
The lamp will be replaced by one more spotlight! That won’t be enough for you, though, right? What kind of spotlights are you planning to install? What opening size have you planned? You need spotlights over all work points and surfaces as well as walkways, arranged in a sensible geometric pattern so it looks good. Due to the beams, our spotlights are spaced 70cm (28 inches) apart, but yours will have at least double that distance.
To Sebastian
There are two pipes (air volume) for the bathroom; I distributed them over two valves (one pipe per valve). The T-shaped bathroom design keeps odors confined to the toilet area, so the whole bathroom doesn’t smell. The air volume remains the same.
I did the same in the bedroom, not because of odors but to improve airflow. I don’t hear anything when the system runs in party mode.
Back to GU10
I have 24 spots on the ground floor (10 in the living room, 5 in the kitchen, 5 in the hallway, 4 in the WC).
You are overestimating the 5W spots; the living room doesn’t matter much, as they are just for basic lighting. The kitchen has LED strips under the cabinets, which are essential because it doesn’t look good without them.
There are two pipes (air volume) for the bathroom; I distributed them over two valves (one pipe per valve). The T-shaped bathroom design keeps odors confined to the toilet area, so the whole bathroom doesn’t smell. The air volume remains the same.
I did the same in the bedroom, not because of odors but to improve airflow. I don’t hear anything when the system runs in party mode.
Back to GU10
I have 24 spots on the ground floor (10 in the living room, 5 in the kitchen, 5 in the hallway, 4 in the WC).
You are overestimating the 5W spots; the living room doesn’t matter much, as they are just for basic lighting. The kitchen has LED strips under the cabinets, which are essential because it doesn’t look good without them.
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Sebastian792 Mar 2016 20:34I thought so too – in the bedroom, I find it a good idea because of noise concerns, but you underestimate how air moves. Nothing will stay in one place; otherwise, the whole system wouldn’t work.
In general, I would reconsider this obsession with spotlights. We have a few in the hallways as well, but I would rely much more on wall lights, which create a genuine ambiance.
In general, I would reconsider this obsession with spotlights. We have a few in the hallways as well, but I would rely much more on wall lights, which create a genuine ambiance.
Sebastian79 schrieb:
In general, I would reconsider this obsession with spotlights. We have a few in the hallway areas as well, but I would definitely rely more on wall lights that create a real atmosphere. Absolutely right. We installed them in the hallway and kitchen mainly to minimize shadows, and because they look really good with the wooden ceiling. I’ve attached a photo of the hallway and the kitchen, although it’s still during the shell stage:
But as I said, there are 10 spotlights in the kitchen and 8 in the hallway. Otherwise, there are several wall lights on the stairs and in the living area.
Hello,
regarding the spotlights, here is an example from us:
In the living room, we have 10 spotlights (GU10, each 5 watts, with a 90° beam angle).
In the kitchen, we have 4 spotlights along the walkways, which also illuminate the work surfaces. That is sufficient for normal chopping and other tasks. Additionally, there are 5 more spotlights above our island with a bar counter.
Above the sink, there is also an LED strip inside the wall cabinets, which is used when washing dishes or doing fine work.
There is also a pendant lamp above the dining table in the dining room.
That is completely sufficient.
regarding the spotlights, here is an example from us:
In the living room, we have 10 spotlights (GU10, each 5 watts, with a 90° beam angle).
In the kitchen, we have 4 spotlights along the walkways, which also illuminate the work surfaces. That is sufficient for normal chopping and other tasks. Additionally, there are 5 more spotlights above our island with a bar counter.
Above the sink, there is also an LED strip inside the wall cabinets, which is used when washing dishes or doing fine work.
There is also a pendant lamp above the dining table in the dining room.
That is completely sufficient.
Payday schrieb:
When using satellite TV, double sockets generally make sense almost everywhere (simply because each receiver gets its own connection)Sorry, but that’s nonsense...
Regarding spot lighting: 3 and 5 watt LED spots are not as bright as you might think and definitely can’t be compared to halogen...
My upstairs hallway is lit with 3x10 watt LED, and I wouldn’t go any lower than that. Of course, you don’t always need them at 100%, but there are times when I turn the main lighting on...
There is a lot of talk about pulling cables through conduit... but as it seems, the original poster wants to pull a maximum of 2-3 cables through the empty conduits... this should not be a problem, even with bends...
Running 4x 3x1.5 NYM cables through an M20 conduit is, of course, a completely different matter
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