Hi everyone,
things are starting to get serious for us. It’s time to think about the basic locations and quantities of power outlets, light fixtures, network connections, satellite connections, and conduit pipes.
I’ve roughly sketched and attached my current planning status. Maybe someone has helpful feedback for me? Does anyone see a spot where I definitely need a network connection, conduit, or something similar?
To explain:
· We’re also installing a controlled mechanical ventilation system, which will be embedded in the screed of the basement ceiling and the ground floor ceiling. Because of this, we can’t lay conduits inside the screed insulation, as that would interfere with the ventilation’s oval ducts. I’m also generally not a fan of conduits with bends and curves. Therefore, my plan is to run conduits vertically down the walls to the basement whenever possible and then gather the cables there in cable trays.
· The current plan shows a full installation of satellite connections and network outlets. All of these will be laid in conduits that will only be filled “when needed.” Child 1 is currently 16 months old, and Child 2 is still in planning. So it will be at least 10 years before satellite or network connections are needed in the children’s rooms. By then, there will probably be entirely different technologies.
· The recessed ceiling spots will be cast into the precast concrete ceiling, so there will be no suspended ceiling.
· The various conduits on the ground floor will simply run straight down to the basement. From there, I can route the cables openly below the ceiling to the switch, satellite system, or 5.1 receiver (which will be located under the TV in the living room).
· Likewise, the cables for network and satellite from the guest room, living room, and bedroom will be laid in conduits running straight down. The endpoint is again at the basement ceiling exit. From there, cable routing will be either open or in cable trays.
· In the office on the upper floor, there is a small tech shaft that runs down through the pantry on the ground floor into the technical/laundry basement. The cables for the office and Child 1’s room will run through this shaft.
· Child 2’s room is still a bit of a concern. The room is completely cantilevered over the living room, so there is no wall underneath where I could run a conduit down. I would have to somehow work through the dressing room. In the worst case, I’d route the cables openly in the dressing room and then together with the bedroom cables down to the basement.
· In general, I am only having conduits and empty boxes prepared inside the walls; I will install the network and satellite system myself.
Thanks and best regards,
Andreas
things are starting to get serious for us. It’s time to think about the basic locations and quantities of power outlets, light fixtures, network connections, satellite connections, and conduit pipes.
I’ve roughly sketched and attached my current planning status. Maybe someone has helpful feedback for me? Does anyone see a spot where I definitely need a network connection, conduit, or something similar?
To explain:
· We’re also installing a controlled mechanical ventilation system, which will be embedded in the screed of the basement ceiling and the ground floor ceiling. Because of this, we can’t lay conduits inside the screed insulation, as that would interfere with the ventilation’s oval ducts. I’m also generally not a fan of conduits with bends and curves. Therefore, my plan is to run conduits vertically down the walls to the basement whenever possible and then gather the cables there in cable trays.
· The current plan shows a full installation of satellite connections and network outlets. All of these will be laid in conduits that will only be filled “when needed.” Child 1 is currently 16 months old, and Child 2 is still in planning. So it will be at least 10 years before satellite or network connections are needed in the children’s rooms. By then, there will probably be entirely different technologies.
· The recessed ceiling spots will be cast into the precast concrete ceiling, so there will be no suspended ceiling.
· The various conduits on the ground floor will simply run straight down to the basement. From there, I can route the cables openly below the ceiling to the switch, satellite system, or 5.1 receiver (which will be located under the TV in the living room).
· Likewise, the cables for network and satellite from the guest room, living room, and bedroom will be laid in conduits running straight down. The endpoint is again at the basement ceiling exit. From there, cable routing will be either open or in cable trays.
· In the office on the upper floor, there is a small tech shaft that runs down through the pantry on the ground floor into the technical/laundry basement. The cables for the office and Child 1’s room will run through this shaft.
· Child 2’s room is still a bit of a concern. The room is completely cantilevered over the living room, so there is no wall underneath where I could run a conduit down. I would have to somehow work through the dressing room. In the worst case, I’d route the cables openly in the dressing room and then together with the bedroom cables down to the basement.
· In general, I am only having conduits and empty boxes prepared inside the walls; I will install the network and satellite system myself.
Thanks and best regards,
Andreas
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Bauexperte3 Mar 2016 12:04Sebastian79 schrieb:
Strange statement... but that’s just “imho.” What exactly is strange about it?
*I* don’t need 30 power outlets in the living room – for example, our hi-fi system is safely connected through a power strip – and I don’t need LAN access in the bathroom, nor constant festive lighting everywhere. Even in my kitchen, I don’t require 20 outlets, because my youthful whims have been adjusted by reality.
Electrical installations have become the modern men’s playground during house construction; I find this confirmed both in this thread and in our consultations. This is neither wrong nor harmful to anyone; however, not everyone has to do exactly the same.
Best regards, Bauexperte
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Sebastian793 Mar 2016 12:05No one says that either, but what exactly does that have to do with consumption? I found your conclusion odd – not your outdated idea of electrical planning.
It’s just a male thing, because very few women are interested in or want to understand these topics.
It’s just a male thing, because very few women are interested in or want to understand these topics.
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Bauexperte3 Mar 2016 12:48Sebastian79 schrieb:
No one is saying that, but what does this have to do with consumption? Consumption = use and/or utilization of material and immaterial goods by end users.
Regarding *my* kitchen: no food processor, no bread maker, no slicer, no egg cooker, no electric carving knife, etc. Instead, just the essential appliances + blender + hand blender; that’s it. So I don’t need countless power outlets in the kitchen.
Sebastian79 schrieb:
It’s just a guy thing, because few women are interested in this— or want to understand it. That’s what I’m saying—if you want to call it old-fashioned, that’s fine. For me, it *has* to work, whether the cables turn right or left makes no difference at all.
Regards, Bauexperte
It’s all a matter of personal preference... for example, I don’t like power strips, so there are simply more sockets installed than needed, and the same goes for lighting... my wife prefers it very dim, while I like to have enough light to see clearly.
Thanks to today’s technology, brightness can be adjusted dynamically to suit the conditions, but the option to do this must be planned for in advance.
Thanks to today’s technology, brightness can be adjusted dynamically to suit the conditions, but the option to do this must be planned for in advance.
Hi,
yep,
I actually thought I had made it clear. I’m talking about LAN and SAT cables here, nothing else. Power cables are fixed inside the wall and done.
And yes, I have considered pushing 2, maybe 3 cables through an empty conduit with a diameter of 20 to 25 mm (0.8 to 1 inch). That’s it. Only as needed, where it’s really required. Just to avoid wiring the entire house and then not using 80% of it later.
Best regards,
Andreas
yep,
Mycraft schrieb:
There’s a lot of talk here about pulling cables through conduit... but it seems to me the OP only wants to push 2-3 cables through empty conduits... that shouldn’t be a problem, even with bends...
4x 3x1.5 NYM through an M20 is, of course, a completely different matter
I actually thought I had made it clear. I’m talking about LAN and SAT cables here, nothing else. Power cables are fixed inside the wall and done.
And yes, I have considered pushing 2, maybe 3 cables through an empty conduit with a diameter of 20 to 25 mm (0.8 to 1 inch). That’s it. Only as needed, where it’s really required. Just to avoid wiring the entire house and then not using 80% of it later.
Best regards,
Andreas
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