ᐅ Site development timing: Before building road construction or after debris removal?
Created on: 23 Jul 2020 06:59
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Spike86
Good morning
Last week, we submitted the building permit application (as an expedited process, since there is no zoning plan). Now we are considering whether it makes sense or is even possible to connect the utilities before starting construction. The problem is that we have a flag lot, and the driveway runs to the back through the neighbor’s property. Once the construction road is set up, access to the utilities will be blocked, and we would only be able to connect them after construction is completed and the construction road is removed... wouldn’t that be too late? Isn’t a water connection needed beforehand so the plumbing contractor can test the toilet flushing? We are a bit unsure about this. Another issue is that the neighbor’s house is very close to the driveway and has a full basement. Therefore, part of the construction road would need to be reinforced. Do you have any tips on how to do this or if it is necessary? A friend once recommended these mats that distribute the weight. With these, an 11-ton (12 US ton) excavator (loaded up to 16 tons / 17.6 US tons) was able to pass without causing any damage.
It’s early in the morning, so I hope this is clear enough. If not, please ask, and I will try to explain it better.
Best regards and thanks in advance!
Last week, we submitted the building permit application (as an expedited process, since there is no zoning plan). Now we are considering whether it makes sense or is even possible to connect the utilities before starting construction. The problem is that we have a flag lot, and the driveway runs to the back through the neighbor’s property. Once the construction road is set up, access to the utilities will be blocked, and we would only be able to connect them after construction is completed and the construction road is removed... wouldn’t that be too late? Isn’t a water connection needed beforehand so the plumbing contractor can test the toilet flushing? We are a bit unsure about this. Another issue is that the neighbor’s house is very close to the driveway and has a full basement. Therefore, part of the construction road would need to be reinforced. Do you have any tips on how to do this or if it is necessary? A friend once recommended these mats that distribute the weight. With these, an 11-ton (12 US ton) excavator (loaded up to 16 tons / 17.6 US tons) was able to pass without causing any damage.
It’s early in the morning, so I hope this is clear enough. If not, please ask, and I will try to explain it better.
Best regards and thanks in advance!
@Spike86
Built 2 years ago in Berlin, rear property, 60m (197 feet) to the utility room,
1. Excavation for construction access road
2. Excavation of utility trench
3. Installation from property boundary to the height of the utility room
- Wastewater pipe 100mm (4 inches) up to the neighbor’s connection, then 125mm (5 inches) to the street, with two T-joints for inspection along the way
- Empty conduit for water company (blue) with pulling rope
- Empty conduit for telecom (grey HT) with pulling rope
- Power cable 5x50mm² from electrical box to utility room + 10m (33 feet) spare length for connection
- Two 5x2.5mm² cables and eight 0.8mm² cables (for pathway lighting, outlets, gate opener, video intercom system)
- No gas supply
4. Backfilling the trench
5. Constructing access road up to 1m (3 feet) before the floor slab
6. Electrician connected the cable to the grey box and set up temporary construction power at the rear,
Water supply from the neighbor
7. House construction
8. After the scaffolding was removed, opened two 1mx1m (3ftx3ft) openings at the utility room and two 2mx2m (6ftx6ft) openings at the street, called water and telecom companies (if they don’t come now, you have to dig yourselves), all connected after 4 days
9. Moving in via the construction access road
10. Paving, terrace, garden, fence installation,
The fence was completed 8 weeks ago
Regards, Nida
Built 2 years ago in Berlin, rear property, 60m (197 feet) to the utility room,
1. Excavation for construction access road
2. Excavation of utility trench
3. Installation from property boundary to the height of the utility room
- Wastewater pipe 100mm (4 inches) up to the neighbor’s connection, then 125mm (5 inches) to the street, with two T-joints for inspection along the way
- Empty conduit for water company (blue) with pulling rope
- Empty conduit for telecom (grey HT) with pulling rope
- Power cable 5x50mm² from electrical box to utility room + 10m (33 feet) spare length for connection
- Two 5x2.5mm² cables and eight 0.8mm² cables (for pathway lighting, outlets, gate opener, video intercom system)
- No gas supply
4. Backfilling the trench
5. Constructing access road up to 1m (3 feet) before the floor slab
6. Electrician connected the cable to the grey box and set up temporary construction power at the rear,
Water supply from the neighbor
7. House construction
8. After the scaffolding was removed, opened two 1mx1m (3ftx3ft) openings at the utility room and two 2mx2m (6ftx6ft) openings at the street, called water and telecom companies (if they don’t come now, you have to dig yourselves), all connected after 4 days
9. Moving in via the construction access road
10. Paving, terrace, garden, fence installation,
The fence was completed 8 weeks ago
Regards, Nida
This was all done by a civil engineering/paving company.
The construction road supports up to 40 tons, the paving is now load-bearing up to 10 tons.
The company is fully booked for a year.
For water and telecom (contract, contract management, coordinator, foreman of the installation team TEL no.), we called them and told them that if they came now, it would have to be without an excavator, and that worked out.
The construction road supports up to 40 tons, the paving is now load-bearing up to 10 tons.
The company is fully booked for a year.
For water and telecom (contract, contract management, coordinator, foreman of the installation team TEL no.), we called them and told them that if they came now, it would have to be without an excavator, and that worked out.
Well, that can work, but it doesn’t have to. In our case, the trench was opened only once, and everyone installed their utilities. A friend of mine had to chase the telecom company for weeks, and only after the trench was finally closed did the telecom come to do the installation.
Spike86 schrieb:
The Berlin Water Company also mentioned that the standard texts for the right of pedestrian and vehicle access are no longer sufficient, and that something involving inspection chambers must now be included. If that is correct, does anyone know on what basis this is required? Well, I signed a notarized purchase agreement with the right of pedestrian and vehicle access at the beginning of March. It doesn’t mention anything about inspection chambers.
However, it does state that if any work becomes necessary by the owner of the dominant property, they must restore the previous condition afterwards. Naturally, it makes sense to work with inspection chambers in order to minimize the effort needed for such restoration.
During an initial consultation with the Berlin Water Company, I was only asked if there is a right of pedestrian and vehicle access; nothing was said about mandatory inspection chambers.
But we’ll see, maybe that will come up later.
May I ask which district you are building in?
Tolentino schrieb:
May I ask which district you are building in?Sure, in Treptow-Köpenick, more precisely, Müggelheim.
Nida35a schrieb:
1. Excavation for construction access road
2. Excavation for utility trench... Hi Nida, I would send you a private message, but unfortunately that’s not possible.
Which company did you use for the construction access road? We are currently looking for a suitable civil engineer or contractor and gathering quotes.
Thanks in advance and best regards
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