Hello everyone,
Since this is about being "outside," this seemed like the most appropriate subforum.
We have been living in the house for 3.5 years now and are currently looking into the topic of patio roofing. I have already had initial on-site discussions with two local companies. Unfortunately, these talks raised more questions than answers.
The area to be covered is about 26 sqm (280 sq ft). Width 7.30 m (24 ft) and depth 4.00 m (13 ft), with the special feature that part of the patio narrows diagonally, so the depth on the left side is not 4.00 m but 2.00 m (7 ft). This means that part of the roof and drainage must slope diagonally and be adjusted on-site; a roof of a standard size x by y meters won’t work for us.
What we originally wanted and were offered:
- Powder-coated aluminum construction
- 10 mm (0.4 inch) laminated safety glass (VSG) roofing
- LED spots integrated into the rafters
- Under-roof shading with a wireless sensor
- Both sides (left with 2.00 m (7 ft) depth and right with 4.00 m (13 ft) depth) closable with frameless glass sliding doors
This option costs 19,000 EUR. Shading on top of the roof with a weather station was even more expensive. Shading adapted to the sloping area was even pricier. The affordable under-roof shading would not cover the sloped section of about 3 sqm (32 sq ft).
What the second company proposed:
- Powder-coated aluminum construction
- White milky polycarbonate twin-wall panels roofing *
- LED spots integrated into the rafters
- No shading
- Only one side (right 4.00 m (13 ft) depth) closable with frameless glass sliding doors
This option costs "only" 8,000 EUR.
* This company specializes in polycarbonate twin-wall panels. Apparently, this roofing has many advantages. A double UV filter protects against the sun, while an integrated prism structure is said to concentrate sunlight and direct it downward, resulting in only 7% light loss. Supposedly, no shading is needed. The climate under it should always feel as if you are sitting in the shade. Polycarbonate is said to be self-cleaning.
I am mainly skeptical now. Of course, I would prefer the cheaper option, but I find it hard to fully believe all these benefits, especially the claim that no shading is necessary. Do you have any experience with this? The main argument against twin-wall panels seems to be noise during rain, but that doesn’t matter to us, so that argument is irrelevant.
Overall, it is very difficult to find a suitable company and to assess the prices. How did you solve this?
Thanks and best regards!
Since this is about being "outside," this seemed like the most appropriate subforum.
We have been living in the house for 3.5 years now and are currently looking into the topic of patio roofing. I have already had initial on-site discussions with two local companies. Unfortunately, these talks raised more questions than answers.
The area to be covered is about 26 sqm (280 sq ft). Width 7.30 m (24 ft) and depth 4.00 m (13 ft), with the special feature that part of the patio narrows diagonally, so the depth on the left side is not 4.00 m but 2.00 m (7 ft). This means that part of the roof and drainage must slope diagonally and be adjusted on-site; a roof of a standard size x by y meters won’t work for us.
What we originally wanted and were offered:
- Powder-coated aluminum construction
- 10 mm (0.4 inch) laminated safety glass (VSG) roofing
- LED spots integrated into the rafters
- Under-roof shading with a wireless sensor
- Both sides (left with 2.00 m (7 ft) depth and right with 4.00 m (13 ft) depth) closable with frameless glass sliding doors
This option costs 19,000 EUR. Shading on top of the roof with a weather station was even more expensive. Shading adapted to the sloping area was even pricier. The affordable under-roof shading would not cover the sloped section of about 3 sqm (32 sq ft).
What the second company proposed:
- Powder-coated aluminum construction
- White milky polycarbonate twin-wall panels roofing *
- LED spots integrated into the rafters
- No shading
- Only one side (right 4.00 m (13 ft) depth) closable with frameless glass sliding doors
This option costs "only" 8,000 EUR.
* This company specializes in polycarbonate twin-wall panels. Apparently, this roofing has many advantages. A double UV filter protects against the sun, while an integrated prism structure is said to concentrate sunlight and direct it downward, resulting in only 7% light loss. Supposedly, no shading is needed. The climate under it should always feel as if you are sitting in the shade. Polycarbonate is said to be self-cleaning.
I am mainly skeptical now. Of course, I would prefer the cheaper option, but I find it hard to fully believe all these benefits, especially the claim that no shading is necessary. Do you have any experience with this? The main argument against twin-wall panels seems to be noise during rain, but that doesn’t matter to us, so that argument is irrelevant.
Overall, it is very difficult to find a suitable company and to assess the prices. How did you solve this?
Thanks and best regards!
We are located in Ellhofen… unfortunately, the issue for us was cables in the ceiling – nobody had thought about that. All the cables hidden in the plaster were documented with photos, but the ones in the ceiling were not. Otherwise, everything was fine… I would still recommend measuring yourself beforehand to determine where the ceiling is and approximately where you should drill. Trust is good – checking is better. We only had constant power once and then distributed it in the canopy to the retractable awning under the roof, the side awning, and 2 sets of 6 lights.
I don’t want to stress you out. Just sharing a few tips…
I don’t want to stress you out. Just sharing a few tips…
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immermehr20 Sep 2021 20:09BauMixx schrieb:
We are in Ellhofen… unfortunately, the issue for us was cables in the ceiling—nobody thought about that. Everything under the plaster was documented with photos, but the cables in the ceiling weren’t… otherwise everything is fine. I would still recommend measuring yourself first to find out where the ceiling is and approximately where to drill. Trust is good, but checking is better. We only had constant power once and then distributed it in the canopy to the awning under the roof, side awning, and 2 x 6 lights.
Don’t want to worry you, just sharing a few tips… Three men were here today around 10:00 am. They will finish by approximately 4:00 pm:
- One pane was damaged during transport (about 4cm² (0.6 in²))
- The sunshade will be delivered later.
- I also only have constant power. Now we are distributing it with 12 LEDs.
Around 4:00 pm they will drive on to Ellhofen (to you?).
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HoisleBauer224 Nov 2021 00:33Are there any experiences here with DIY patio roofing kits from hardware stores? Is it manageable for an average hobbyist with decent tools?
I found a PDF manual for self-assembly from another online configurator provider. It doesn’t look too complicated.
Also: So far, it seems like all previous posters had their roofing installed professionally. How much extra does that usually cost?
I found a PDF manual for self-assembly from another online configurator provider. It doesn’t look too complicated.
Also: So far, it seems like all previous posters had their roofing installed professionally. How much extra does that usually cost?
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immermehr4 Nov 2021 07:45HoisleBauer22 schrieb:
Are there any experiences here with DIY patio roofing kits from hardware stores? Is it doable for a typical DIY enthusiast with proper tools?
I found a PDF manual from another online configurator provider that explains self-assembly. It doesn’t look too difficult.
Also: So far it seems like all previous contributors had their roofing installed by professionals. What is the approximate extra cost? I watched how the installers from KD work. In my opinion, it’s certainly possible to assemble it yourself. The hardest part is installing the glass. Everything else can be managed by two people, ideally three.
Extra cost: with KD it’s around 1000€ (including foundation).
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HoisleBauer224 Nov 2021 19:48Thanks for the information! I will think it over and decide whether the installation is worth the 1000€.
HoisleBauer22 schrieb:
Are there any experiences here with DIY patio roof kits from hardware stores? Is it doable for an average hobbyist with decent tools?
I found a PDF manual from another online configurator provider that explains self-installation. It doesn’t look too complicated.
Also: So far, it sounds like all previous posters had their roofs installed professionally. How much extra does that cost approximately? I’m asking myself the same questions right now, especially since we still haven’t made a clear decision for or against glass. The latter is quite difficult and time-consuming to install, so it might be better to have that done by professionals.
Otherwise, installation shouldn’t be too complicated.
Two days ago, I was told by a company that they don’t do installation themselves but only deliver and arrange for an installation company. I would have to expect about 1,500 EUR (30 sq m (323 sq ft) glass roof) for that.
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