Hello everyone,
Since this is about being "outside," this seemed like the most appropriate subforum.
We have been living in the house for 3.5 years now and are currently looking into the topic of patio roofing. I have already had initial on-site discussions with two local companies. Unfortunately, these talks raised more questions than answers.
The area to be covered is about 26 sqm (280 sq ft). Width 7.30 m (24 ft) and depth 4.00 m (13 ft), with the special feature that part of the patio narrows diagonally, so the depth on the left side is not 4.00 m but 2.00 m (7 ft). This means that part of the roof and drainage must slope diagonally and be adjusted on-site; a roof of a standard size x by y meters won’t work for us.
What we originally wanted and were offered:
- Powder-coated aluminum construction
- 10 mm (0.4 inch) laminated safety glass (VSG) roofing
- LED spots integrated into the rafters
- Under-roof shading with a wireless sensor
- Both sides (left with 2.00 m (7 ft) depth and right with 4.00 m (13 ft) depth) closable with frameless glass sliding doors
This option costs 19,000 EUR. Shading on top of the roof with a weather station was even more expensive. Shading adapted to the sloping area was even pricier. The affordable under-roof shading would not cover the sloped section of about 3 sqm (32 sq ft).
What the second company proposed:
- Powder-coated aluminum construction
- White milky polycarbonate twin-wall panels roofing *
- LED spots integrated into the rafters
- No shading
- Only one side (right 4.00 m (13 ft) depth) closable with frameless glass sliding doors
This option costs "only" 8,000 EUR.
* This company specializes in polycarbonate twin-wall panels. Apparently, this roofing has many advantages. A double UV filter protects against the sun, while an integrated prism structure is said to concentrate sunlight and direct it downward, resulting in only 7% light loss. Supposedly, no shading is needed. The climate under it should always feel as if you are sitting in the shade. Polycarbonate is said to be self-cleaning.
I am mainly skeptical now. Of course, I would prefer the cheaper option, but I find it hard to fully believe all these benefits, especially the claim that no shading is necessary. Do you have any experience with this? The main argument against twin-wall panels seems to be noise during rain, but that doesn’t matter to us, so that argument is irrelevant.
Overall, it is very difficult to find a suitable company and to assess the prices. How did you solve this?
Thanks and best regards!
Since this is about being "outside," this seemed like the most appropriate subforum.
We have been living in the house for 3.5 years now and are currently looking into the topic of patio roofing. I have already had initial on-site discussions with two local companies. Unfortunately, these talks raised more questions than answers.
The area to be covered is about 26 sqm (280 sq ft). Width 7.30 m (24 ft) and depth 4.00 m (13 ft), with the special feature that part of the patio narrows diagonally, so the depth on the left side is not 4.00 m but 2.00 m (7 ft). This means that part of the roof and drainage must slope diagonally and be adjusted on-site; a roof of a standard size x by y meters won’t work for us.
What we originally wanted and were offered:
- Powder-coated aluminum construction
- 10 mm (0.4 inch) laminated safety glass (VSG) roofing
- LED spots integrated into the rafters
- Under-roof shading with a wireless sensor
- Both sides (left with 2.00 m (7 ft) depth and right with 4.00 m (13 ft) depth) closable with frameless glass sliding doors
This option costs 19,000 EUR. Shading on top of the roof with a weather station was even more expensive. Shading adapted to the sloping area was even pricier. The affordable under-roof shading would not cover the sloped section of about 3 sqm (32 sq ft).
What the second company proposed:
- Powder-coated aluminum construction
- White milky polycarbonate twin-wall panels roofing *
- LED spots integrated into the rafters
- No shading
- Only one side (right 4.00 m (13 ft) depth) closable with frameless glass sliding doors
This option costs "only" 8,000 EUR.
* This company specializes in polycarbonate twin-wall panels. Apparently, this roofing has many advantages. A double UV filter protects against the sun, while an integrated prism structure is said to concentrate sunlight and direct it downward, resulting in only 7% light loss. Supposedly, no shading is needed. The climate under it should always feel as if you are sitting in the shade. Polycarbonate is said to be self-cleaning.
I am mainly skeptical now. Of course, I would prefer the cheaper option, but I find it hard to fully believe all these benefits, especially the claim that no shading is necessary. Do you have any experience with this? The main argument against twin-wall panels seems to be noise during rain, but that doesn’t matter to us, so that argument is irrelevant.
Overall, it is very difficult to find a suitable company and to assess the prices. How did you solve this?
Thanks and best regards!
H
Hausbautraum209 Jan 2021 09:43In our new development area, only aluminum with glass options are available.
Acquaintances have a 5.5m x 3m (18ft x 10ft) setup with shading and LED spotlights, and they paid 11,000.
We also obtained two quotes for a 4m x 3m (13ft x 10ft) unit without shading or spotlights, which were 6,000 and 7,000 respectively.
These prices did not include any movable side panels.
Personally, we will probably choose an awning. It provides sun protection and shields against light rain.
If you want to sit outside in spring or autumn, you probably need side panels as well, but unfortunately, that is too expensive for us at the moment.
Acquaintances have a 5.5m x 3m (18ft x 10ft) setup with shading and LED spotlights, and they paid 11,000.
We also obtained two quotes for a 4m x 3m (13ft x 10ft) unit without shading or spotlights, which were 6,000 and 7,000 respectively.
These prices did not include any movable side panels.
Personally, we will probably choose an awning. It provides sun protection and shields against light rain.
If you want to sit outside in spring or autumn, you probably need side panels as well, but unfortunately, that is too expensive for us at the moment.
The main cost driver in this case is the size. Considering that a standard canopy measures 3 x 4 meters (ok... I also find this quite marginal, as things can quickly get wet in the depth), you are planning with 4 x 7 meters, which is more than double the size. Then there’s the additional work involved, like the installation with two sliding doors... LED lighting doesn’t cost much.
If you compare this to a commonly purchased size, your price of 19,000 is on the lower, more affordable side. Is assembly included? Exterior insulation and finish system (EIFS) or insulation? What about the foundations?
How many supports do you have at the front?
How thick are the beams?
Remember that you need a building permit / planning permission (for structures taller than 3 meters (9.8 feet)).
If you compare this to a commonly purchased size, your price of 19,000 is on the lower, more affordable side. Is assembly included? Exterior insulation and finish system (EIFS) or insulation? What about the foundations?
How many supports do you have at the front?
How thick are the beams?
Remember that you need a building permit / planning permission (for structures taller than 3 meters (9.8 feet)).
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Osnabruecker10 Jan 2021 08:12LED lighting doesn’t cost much? These are high three-digit amounts... compared to a €20 (about $22) wall spotlight from a hardware store, it’s definitely more expensive... but it does look nicer!
Osnabruecker schrieb:
LEDs aren’t expensive? Those are high triple-digit amounts... compared to a €20 (about $22) wall spotlight from the home improvement store, that’s really pricey... but it does look nicer! Not in our case. At least with a €10,000 (about $11,000) terrace roof, a small triple-digit range wasn’t really noticeable.
You can also skip that and stick with a spotlight from your local hardware store.
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Comparing a spotlight with 6/9/12 built-in dimmable LEDs is also quite an art here, which not everyone masters 😉
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trendyandi11 Jan 2021 10:40Hello everyone! We are also very satisfied with our canopy from KD! I can only refer you to the relevant thread here in the forum ("KD Canopy Experiences"). There are also many pictures posted!
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