ᐅ Price Increase – Our Construction Company Wants 21.4% More

Markiso schrieb:

reading....wow....very cheap. With us, apartments already cost at least 3500€/m2 (325 sq ft) in the simplest finishes and without any extra requests

This is not even comparable.

Apartments involve at least one additional step in the value chain (shell builder, craftsmen, developer, sales, buyer).
And especially, common areas are externalized and therefore not counted in the apartment’s square meters: staircases, elevator shafts, shared corridors, storage rooms, boiler rooms, laundry rooms, bicycle storage, etc. But all of these are paid for proportionally! Elevators and enhanced fire protection are also features that typically do not exist in a single-family house. Also, no owner-built work is usually included here.

exto1791 schrieb:

I understand what is meant, no question. For getting a general idea, this is definitely not wrong.

Nevertheless, I see it in a much more nuanced way. With an average salary, I can look at the industry/job → salary – there are no major "exceptions" or factors that might differ. I really know what an identical job in the same industry typically pays on average.

With a house, just a controlled ventilation system, a rainwater cistern, wood-aluminum windows, a waterproof basement, a fireplace, KfW 55 standard, each adds so much that the price can easily vary by around 20%. So it becomes extremely difficult to rely on this as a guideline... this is just one example that applies to us to some extent, meaning that for the same square meter size in the same building area, the price could easily differ by 20%.

That’s exactly why people talk about different levels of equipment and finishes.
I think you can compare it well to cars. There is a typical mid-range car, but depending on the features, the price can vary significantly. Still, everyone knows what is meant by a mid-range car.

Scout schrieb:

This is not really comparable at all.

Apartments have at least one more step in the value chain (shell construction, tradespeople, developer, sales, buyer).
And especially, common areas are externalized, so they are not included in the apartment’s square meters: stairwells, elevator shafts, external corridors, storage rooms, boiler rooms, laundry rooms, bike storage, etc. But all of these are paid for proportionally! Elevators and enhanced fire protection requirements are also features that you usually don’t have in a single-family home. Plus, there is no self-labor involved here.

Is it still possible to draw a rough comparison? I’d be interested to know how we stand here.... but honestly, I have no idea about house construction prices. Our district, though quite remote, is priced similarly to areas like Düsseldorf, Hamburg, etc. (I once saw a table like that in a newspaper).

Please start a new thread instead of cluttering the one from @Pinkiponk 😎 I would like to know how this develops further.

When you talk about 3,500 per square meter, the items I mentioned are already included. If we consider a single-family house with 2,500 per square meter, spaces like sheds, garages, or basements are still additional. And if the house is built without a basement, you need to provide storage, utility rooms, and heating space inside your living area. In that case, you can no longer compare the square meters to those of an apartment where all of these are located in the basement.

For basements (instead of a slab foundation), garages, and sheds, you can roughly estimate an additional 30 to 50% on top of the base house price, which brings you close to your 3,500 figure. Fire protection requirements and an elevator are extra costs in multi-family buildings.

Scout schrieb:

When you talk about 3500 per square meter, the items I mentioned are already included. If we are talking about a single-family house with 2500 per square meter, spaces like sheds, garages, or basements are still extra. And if you build without a basement, you need to allow space inside your four walls for storage, utility rooms, and heating, so you can no longer compare the square meters with those of an apartment where all these are located in the basement.

For basements (instead of a slab), garage, and shed, you can roughly (!) estimate an additional 30 to 50% on top of the base house price, which brings you approximately to your 3500. Fire protection requirements and an elevator would then be extra in a multi-family building.

We could really start a new thread for this, but just to say: in the 3500 (and that is really the cheapest lines... more like 4000 upwards), not everything you listed is included. Basement, yes, but even that is hardly worth counting... what can you really do with a 3m² (32 sqft) basement? 🙄 Garage, parking space, etc. are also additional on top. Easily 25,000 euros for an underground parking space.