ᐅ Initial planning for a single-family home with a granny flat on a 600 m² plot
Created on: 2 Jan 2021 15:34
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Grand90
Hello everyone,
after a long search, we have purchased a plot with an existing building and are now at the very beginning of the planning process. The handover of the house is on January 4th.
A meeting with an architect is scheduled in two weeks, but it’s good to already have some preliminary thoughts beforehand 😉.
The surveyor will also come soon to create a site plan with elevation points.
Here are the facts:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: approx. 600 m2 (13 m x 47 m / 43 ft x 154 ft) currently with a building worth demolishing.
Slope: Yes, descending from east to west (ground floor fully into the slope, first floor partially).
There is no formal development plan, but the existing houses all have 3 full storeys.
On the west side runs the old main road, and further away the federal highway.
To the north is a neighboring building, to the south the garden of the plot. The plan after demolition is to shift about 5 m (16 ft) to the south to gain some distance to the neighbor, parking spaces and a terrace for the granny flat.
The sun shines on the property all day. As far as I know, there is no shading.
Builders’ requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Regular single-family home with granny flat and pitched roof
Basement, floors: No basement, 3 full floors
Number of people, ages: Currently 2 adults (30 and 25 years old), planning 2 children. Rented granny flat (max. 2 persons). The granny flat should serve as a retirement home and therefore be on the ground floor, step-free.
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor: see draft
Office: Possible home office as well as family space
Guest sleepers per year: Occasionally, on average every 2 months for one night (currently sofa bed in living room)
Open or closed layout: Good mix
Conservative or modern construction: Rather conservative
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Kitchen and dining room combined, living room separate
Number of dining seats: 8-10
Fireplace: Rather no, does not make much sense with KFW55 standard, heat pump, and underfloor heating. Possibly ethanol fireplace?
Music / stereo wall: Yes
Terrace: Yes, on ground floor next to the granny flat parking spot, and on the first floor above the double garage (question whether to use the entire double garage roof as terrace or maybe extend the dining area a bit)
Garage, carport: Double garage and double parking space
Utility garden, greenhouse: Possibly later
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why certain things should or should not be:
Separate living areas so that when guests visit one half or later the children, there is no disturbance.
House design
Who designed the plan: myself
What do you particularly like? Why?
No large wasted hallway area. Our current apartment has a large almost unused hallway.
What do you dislike? Why?
- Floor plan of the granny flat quite uncertain, especially the bathroom placement. With controlled ventilation, the bathroom could actually be windowless, but I would prefer a window. The location of the bathroom affects the layout of kitchen/living/dining areas.
- The two L-shaped children’s bedrooms on the second floor are a compromise to avoid a too-large hallway.
Price estimate: my own estimate is €650,000
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: still needs to be clarified with the bank. The plot with the existing building was purchased with equity.
Preferred heating system: Ground-source heat pump with deep drilling and underfloor heating. Photovoltaics on both roof sides (east-west orientation). Controlled domestic ventilation with heat recovery. Blinds to be planned for shading.
If you had to give up, which details / extensions
- could you do without:
- cannot do without:
Why did the design turn out as it is now?
Initial drafts based on our requirements and space needs to define things for the first meeting with the architect.
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
At the current planning stage:
Review of floor plans and tips based on users’ experience. Possibly identify incorrect house or room placement, point out no-gos. No detailed or thorough assessments necessary as the architect’s plan will change things later.
Explanation of the floor plan:
The walls are not depicted precisely yet. Therefore, the rooms will actually be smaller. Windows and furniture are currently randomly placed. You might also have tips here.
Ground floor: Here will be a solidly built granny flat plus a utility room in the house as well as a double garage with basement and small workshop.
Between the house and the double garage there will be an external staircase leading to the first floor. The house entrance is planned to be on the hillside side at the first floor level.
1st floor: Here a 2-storey single-family home in timber construction is planned. The double garage roof is to be used as a terrace.
Rooms on this floor: spacious kitchen-dining area, separate living room, office, and a small bathroom with shower.
2nd floor: bedrooms, main bathroom and a hobby room / guest room.
The allowable footprint of the house is still open. Easements from neighbors may have to be obtained. But I think something like 8 x 12.5 m (26 ft x 41 ft) could be enough.
If you need more information, please let me know 😉.
Feel free to share any concerns. I’m open to all opinions and tips, as we are still at the very beginning of the planning stage.
Thanks and best regards
Florian
after a long search, we have purchased a plot with an existing building and are now at the very beginning of the planning process. The handover of the house is on January 4th.
A meeting with an architect is scheduled in two weeks, but it’s good to already have some preliminary thoughts beforehand 😉.
The surveyor will also come soon to create a site plan with elevation points.
Here are the facts:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: approx. 600 m2 (13 m x 47 m / 43 ft x 154 ft) currently with a building worth demolishing.
Slope: Yes, descending from east to west (ground floor fully into the slope, first floor partially).
There is no formal development plan, but the existing houses all have 3 full storeys.
On the west side runs the old main road, and further away the federal highway.
To the north is a neighboring building, to the south the garden of the plot. The plan after demolition is to shift about 5 m (16 ft) to the south to gain some distance to the neighbor, parking spaces and a terrace for the granny flat.
The sun shines on the property all day. As far as I know, there is no shading.
Builders’ requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Regular single-family home with granny flat and pitched roof
Basement, floors: No basement, 3 full floors
Number of people, ages: Currently 2 adults (30 and 25 years old), planning 2 children. Rented granny flat (max. 2 persons). The granny flat should serve as a retirement home and therefore be on the ground floor, step-free.
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor: see draft
Office: Possible home office as well as family space
Guest sleepers per year: Occasionally, on average every 2 months for one night (currently sofa bed in living room)
Open or closed layout: Good mix
Conservative or modern construction: Rather conservative
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Kitchen and dining room combined, living room separate
Number of dining seats: 8-10
Fireplace: Rather no, does not make much sense with KFW55 standard, heat pump, and underfloor heating. Possibly ethanol fireplace?
Music / stereo wall: Yes
Terrace: Yes, on ground floor next to the granny flat parking spot, and on the first floor above the double garage (question whether to use the entire double garage roof as terrace or maybe extend the dining area a bit)
Garage, carport: Double garage and double parking space
Utility garden, greenhouse: Possibly later
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why certain things should or should not be:
Separate living areas so that when guests visit one half or later the children, there is no disturbance.
House design
Who designed the plan: myself
What do you particularly like? Why?
No large wasted hallway area. Our current apartment has a large almost unused hallway.
What do you dislike? Why?
- Floor plan of the granny flat quite uncertain, especially the bathroom placement. With controlled ventilation, the bathroom could actually be windowless, but I would prefer a window. The location of the bathroom affects the layout of kitchen/living/dining areas.
- The two L-shaped children’s bedrooms on the second floor are a compromise to avoid a too-large hallway.
Price estimate: my own estimate is €650,000
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: still needs to be clarified with the bank. The plot with the existing building was purchased with equity.
Preferred heating system: Ground-source heat pump with deep drilling and underfloor heating. Photovoltaics on both roof sides (east-west orientation). Controlled domestic ventilation with heat recovery. Blinds to be planned for shading.
If you had to give up, which details / extensions
- could you do without:
- cannot do without:
Why did the design turn out as it is now?
Initial drafts based on our requirements and space needs to define things for the first meeting with the architect.
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
At the current planning stage:
Review of floor plans and tips based on users’ experience. Possibly identify incorrect house or room placement, point out no-gos. No detailed or thorough assessments necessary as the architect’s plan will change things later.
Explanation of the floor plan:
The walls are not depicted precisely yet. Therefore, the rooms will actually be smaller. Windows and furniture are currently randomly placed. You might also have tips here.
Ground floor: Here will be a solidly built granny flat plus a utility room in the house as well as a double garage with basement and small workshop.
Between the house and the double garage there will be an external staircase leading to the first floor. The house entrance is planned to be on the hillside side at the first floor level.
1st floor: Here a 2-storey single-family home in timber construction is planned. The double garage roof is to be used as a terrace.
Rooms on this floor: spacious kitchen-dining area, separate living room, office, and a small bathroom with shower.
2nd floor: bedrooms, main bathroom and a hobby room / guest room.
The allowable footprint of the house is still open. Easements from neighbors may have to be obtained. But I think something like 8 x 12.5 m (26 ft x 41 ft) could be enough.
If you need more information, please let me know 😉.
Feel free to share any concerns. I’m open to all opinions and tips, as we are still at the very beginning of the planning stage.
Thanks and best regards
Florian
kbt09 schrieb:
Well, if only something could be properly assigned. And if one knew why a 10 m (33 ft) wide house can fit on a 13 m (43 ft) wide plot. What about the usual minimum 3 m (10 ft) distances on each side? Can the garage really be that close to the street? I am still undecided about the basic dimensions as well. I think with the current floor plans, it could also work with 8 m x 12.5 m (26 ft x 41 ft). According to an acquaintance, in Baden-Württemberg I need a 2.5 m (8 ft) setback from the neighbors’ boundaries. Probably less for a public street. If necessary, I would have to request an encumbrance (building easement) from the hillside owners. The existing building currently even partially encroaches on the boundary.
kbt09 schrieb:
And if one knew who is supposed to live in such a dark basement apartment. Bedroom without windows? Bathroom accessible only through the living room? Only western light? Who would rent that? On the north side, windows would be planned in the bedroom. On the south side, there would still be a window in the office. Overall, I am completely uncertain about this.
kbt09 schrieb:
I understand correctly that the ground floor on the east side is basically built into the slope? Yes, the ground floor is embedded into the slope on the east side, and the slope is currently accessible at the level of the first floor through a retaining wall.
Grand90 schrieb:
Space requirements on the ground floor and upper floor: see designThis doesn’t make sense to me and seems to confuse cause and effect. You should explain how you want to live and what your family’s needs are. The floor plan results from that.
Grand90 schrieb:
The granny flat is intended to be a retirement residence and therefore needs to be on the ground floor.I have to question this—almost traditionally—in this context as well... why do you need the granny flat? You are 30 and 25 years old and building for an event 40 years in the future? A lot will happen until then, so try to free yourselves from that mindset.
Nemesis schrieb:
You are 30 and 25 years old and (over)building for an event 40 years from now? So much will happen by then, break free from that mindset. By then, the dementia risk factor linked to resistance to change will be so well researched that people will have unlearned the habit of staying in a home they once purchased until their last breath.
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pagoni20208 Jan 2021 11:50Nemesis schrieb:
This doesn’t make sense to me, or it confuses cause and effect. You should explain how you want to live and what your family’s needs are. From that, the floor plan will follow.Yes, all of that is missing – this won’t work like that. So far, I don’t understand what the priorities or needs are. Somehow, I also can’t reconcile the floor plans with the elevation drawings.My opinion
Forget the floor plan.
Get rid of the granny flat. You’re investing a six-figure amount for something that might never be used, and then it might not even fit. The issue can be solved with a stairlift. The one advertised for one floor does not even cost five figures, if I remember correctly. You will have to carry every bottle of water, every pack of pasta, and the children upstairs for the coming years.
I think the floor plan is too deep for the plot. A rectangular shape would fit better.
In the upper floor, the children's rooms are awkwardly shaped.
Forget the floor plan.
Get rid of the granny flat. You’re investing a six-figure amount for something that might never be used, and then it might not even fit. The issue can be solved with a stairlift. The one advertised for one floor does not even cost five figures, if I remember correctly. You will have to carry every bottle of water, every pack of pasta, and the children upstairs for the coming years.
I think the floor plan is too deep for the plot. A rectangular shape would fit better.
In the upper floor, the children's rooms are awkwardly shaped.
pagoni2020 schrieb:
Yes, all of that is missing – this won’t work like this.
So far, I don’t understand what the priorities or needs are.
Somehow, I can’t match the floor plans with the elevation drawings. I don’t either, which is why I didn’t respond. The elevations show the old building that will be demolished and have nothing to do with the new construction.
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