ᐅ Floor plan of a 200 m² single-family house, raised ground floor, existing plot, double garage
Created on: 6 Feb 2025 23:45
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Gustav5789
Dear collective wisdom,
We would like to build our single-family home on the parents-in-law’s property. The target is about 200 m² (2,150 sq ft) with a double garage. Our architect is very creative, which we find somewhat unsettling, so I’m seeking advice here.
Plot size: 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft), our portion will be approximately 550 m² (5,920 sq ft) in the future
No slope present → farmland (1549) but lies 1 m (3 ft) below the plot
Floor area ratio unknown
Site coverage ratio unknown
Building envelope, building line, and boundary unknown
Surrounding development unknown
Number of parking spaces: 1.5
Number of floors: 2
Roof shape: no specifications
Architectural style: no specifications
Orientation: no specifications
Maximum height/restrictions unknown
Other conditions
Existing setback areas must be reapplied for
Owner requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type
Classic single-family home with a pitched roof
Basement, floors
No basement, two full floors
Number of people, ages
5 people, 33, 31, 2, 0 (planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Office:
Home office P1 4 days + P2 2 days
Guest bedrooms per year
None
Open or closed layout
Open
Conservative or modern construction
Modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Open kitchen, U-shaped
Number of dining seats
Minimum 8, ideally 10
Fireplace
Wood stove (optional)
Music / stereo wall
Stereo wall (optional)
Balcony, roof terrace
No balcony, roof terrace (optional)
Garage, carport
Double garage, extra wide/deep (7.5 x 9 m (25 x 30 ft))
Utility garden, greenhouse
Utility garden
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons for preferences
Due to flooding events, the house should be built 1 m (3 ft) above ground level; garages may remain at ground level
Existing building requires more parking than the existing double garage, at least 3 spaces
Garages on the east side because parcel 1560/6 has a continuous 10–12 m (33–39 ft) tall tree/bush line on the boundary
House design
Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
Ground floor: Open living and dining area; kitchen is directly integrated into life at the table
Ground floor: Pantry between work area and kitchen serves as an acoustic buffer
What do you dislike? Why?
Ground floor: TV with stereo should ideally face the table to fill the whole room with sound
Upper floor: Too convoluted; children’s rooms are under 15 m² (160 sq ft)
Upper floor: No space for drying/ironing laundry
Garage: Technical room would be flooded during high water
Estimated cost according to architect/planner:
750,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Heat pump
If you have to forego, which details or features could you do without?
- Roof terrace
- KfW 40 standard (energy efficiency standard)
- Wood stove
- Large garage
- Utility garden
- 15 m² (160 sq ft) per child’s room
Which features are indispensable?
- Three children’s bedrooms
- Home office
- Open living area
- Second bathroom
Why is the design as it is now?
A mix of many examples, trying to save square meters and fit everything into 180 m² (1,940 sq ft), but now we are happy to build larger since permission up to 272 m² (2,930 sq ft) was approved.
What wishes were fulfilled by the architect? None yet; he has only provided proposals we don’t necessarily like.
What do you consider particularly good or bad about it?
We like the ground floor layout; technical areas cause little noise inside as they are separated.
Original: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/kombination-massivhaus-vs-holzrahmenbau.48745/
The plot plan originally anticipated reusing existing prefabricated garages; however, these have been sold, so we have a free hand.
We would like to build our single-family home on the parents-in-law’s property. The target is about 200 m² (2,150 sq ft) with a double garage. Our architect is very creative, which we find somewhat unsettling, so I’m seeking advice here.
Plot size: 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft), our portion will be approximately 550 m² (5,920 sq ft) in the future
No slope present → farmland (1549) but lies 1 m (3 ft) below the plot
Floor area ratio unknown
Site coverage ratio unknown
Building envelope, building line, and boundary unknown
Surrounding development unknown
Number of parking spaces: 1.5
Number of floors: 2
Roof shape: no specifications
Architectural style: no specifications
Orientation: no specifications
Maximum height/restrictions unknown
Other conditions
Existing setback areas must be reapplied for
Owner requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type
Classic single-family home with a pitched roof
Basement, floors
No basement, two full floors
Number of people, ages
5 people, 33, 31, 2, 0 (planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Office:
Home office P1 4 days + P2 2 days
Guest bedrooms per year
None
Open or closed layout
Open
Conservative or modern construction
Modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Open kitchen, U-shaped
Number of dining seats
Minimum 8, ideally 10
Fireplace
Wood stove (optional)
Music / stereo wall
Stereo wall (optional)
Balcony, roof terrace
No balcony, roof terrace (optional)
Garage, carport
Double garage, extra wide/deep (7.5 x 9 m (25 x 30 ft))
Utility garden, greenhouse
Utility garden
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons for preferences
Due to flooding events, the house should be built 1 m (3 ft) above ground level; garages may remain at ground level
Existing building requires more parking than the existing double garage, at least 3 spaces
Garages on the east side because parcel 1560/6 has a continuous 10–12 m (33–39 ft) tall tree/bush line on the boundary
House design
Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
Ground floor: Open living and dining area; kitchen is directly integrated into life at the table
Ground floor: Pantry between work area and kitchen serves as an acoustic buffer
What do you dislike? Why?
Ground floor: TV with stereo should ideally face the table to fill the whole room with sound
Upper floor: Too convoluted; children’s rooms are under 15 m² (160 sq ft)
Upper floor: No space for drying/ironing laundry
Garage: Technical room would be flooded during high water
Estimated cost according to architect/planner:
750,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Heat pump
If you have to forego, which details or features could you do without?
- Roof terrace
- KfW 40 standard (energy efficiency standard)
- Wood stove
- Large garage
- Utility garden
- 15 m² (160 sq ft) per child’s room
Which features are indispensable?
- Three children’s bedrooms
- Home office
- Open living area
- Second bathroom
Why is the design as it is now?
A mix of many examples, trying to save square meters and fit everything into 180 m² (1,940 sq ft), but now we are happy to build larger since permission up to 272 m² (2,930 sq ft) was approved.
What wishes were fulfilled by the architect? None yet; he has only provided proposals we don’t necessarily like.
What do you consider particularly good or bad about it?
We like the ground floor layout; technical areas cause little noise inside as they are separated.
Original: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/kombination-massivhaus-vs-holzrahmenbau.48745/
The plot plan originally anticipated reusing existing prefabricated garages; however, these have been sold, so we have a free hand.
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Gustav578919 Mar 2025 09:35K a t j a schrieb:
Well, I wouldn’t do it myself, but as I said, that’s a matter of personal taste. If you like it, you should consider whether you’re willing to give up a bit elsewhere for it. Also, it depends on the story heights, which we don’t know, and whether it really has to be such a mega-monster right away.
Yes, as I mentioned, the tip is to install loops in the pantry and put a control switch there. That’s one thing I wouldn’t skimp on.
Basically, I’m also in favor of a covered entrance, but this one is quite unusual, isn’t it? Is there something nicer? (Just joking.) Seriously though, it’s a matter of taste. You have to like it. I have requested the story heights and received them, see attachment. Maybe this helps you a bit with evaluating the story heights and the stairs.
Yes, the covering is quite special... it was his idea, but we’ll have it changed, we just don’t have a better idea yet 🙂
ypg schrieb:
Many landing stairs have a bit of an office floor / office corridor vibe. If you choose the wrong flooring, you’ll never really feel relaxed at home.
What really cancels out any (nice) stair design and basically ruins the effect are the built-in cabinets underneath. In my opinion, you can get the nicest furniture for those special installations from an expensive furniture boutique. I also can’t imagine anyone wanting to reach into those pharmacist-style cabinets (if we’re talking about the hyped APO cabinets: even a well-stocked 40cm (16 inch) cabinet in a kitchen sometimes makes you sweat just opening it).
But of course, it’s a matter of personal taste.
I find it nicer if the stair runs are changed/mirrored, so that when you enter you’re not immediately confronted with the side wall — meaning the railing is visible. You can still put storage under the landing at a lower height, which doesn’t have a negative visual impact.
Yes, it is getting better! Just because there’s still criticism doesn’t mean it hasn’t improved. Well, it’s not about the criticism, I’m still thankful for that. But it’s frustrating to get such information externally when we are paying someone a lot to consider these things for us.
Yes, he recommended the APO cabinets. He said they are super practical and has used them often, so we trusted him back then.
What do you mean by “AP under the height”?
Enrico02 schrieb:
"Need" is always relative, but I fully support your idea. Personally, I would have planned it without a window if it was just for storage.
A mix between a secondary kitchen and a pantry with a window would definitely be the optimal solution. Shelves on the interior walls and a kitchen unit under the window on the exterior wall. Very practical to keep all the ugly appliances out of the main kitchen and especially advantageous with such an open floor plan regarding noise.
Especially when using the food processor as mentioned, the noise in the main kitchen would probably disturb people in the living room watching TV. You can also store appliances like a dehydrator, an air fryer, a popcorn maker, etc., there. Large or loud appliances are much less disruptive that way. Hm, I wasn’t aware of that need. Currently, we only have a kettle and a toaster. The rest is done with a hand mixer and a handheld whisk.
I had hoped that with the relatively large kitchen, I could fit all appliances on the countertop.
Does he mean that the wall with the sliding door to the living room is not enough to reduce everyday kitchen noise enough to watch TV there comfortably?
Gustav5789 schrieb:
I requested and received the floor heights, see attachment.I just noticed that the 2-meter (6 ft 7 in) height is actually marked in the previous planning drawing. I would probably cut the roof slopes down to at least 150cm (5 ft) in height. I would have initially adopted the roof pitch from the other house as well. The stair landing might already make sense, because otherwise it will be tight with the roof and headroom.Gustav5789 schrieb:
But it’s frustrating to get this kind of information from external sources,Gustav5789 schrieb:
Yes, he recommended the APO cabinets to us. He said they are super practical, he has used them often, and we trusted him back then.What do you mean by “this kind of information”? Matters of taste? One person does not want heating loops in a pantry, another doesn’t need a pantry at all. Someone else installs APO cabinets somewhere just because they’re trendy. Another person doesn’t like them. Look at the phenomenon of acoustic panels. The architect won’t call you for every single detail about how you want the fittings. Here in the forum Katja says a, I say b, a third person can’t relate to either and says c. This has nothing to do with trust. We can all agree that cutting the roof slopes is a good idea, then later you might say: I would have preferred it without. Maybe you will also really like the APO cabinets just like all those housebuilding influencers.Gustav5789 schrieb:
What do you mean by AP under the height?AB! AB stands for storage room.Gustav5789 schrieb:
I was hoping to fit all kitchen appliances on the countertop with the relatively large kitchen.Why do you want to keep all appliances out on the countertop? Usually, two or three devices that you use daily are left there. The kitchen appliance cupboard was actually invented 30 years ago or earlier so that devices don’t have to be left out in the open.Gustav5789 schrieb:
Hmm, I wasn’t aware of that need. Right now, we only have a kettle and toaster as kitchen appliances. The rest is done by a handheld mixer and hand whisk.I’ll go out on a limb here: having space, a new kitchen, and children growing up tends to spark the need for new purchases for some people, especially in the big world of kitchen appliances. I do not want to judge that you manage with just a kettle and hand mixer. But for me, after moving in, the first purchase to make mixing and stirring easier was a Bosch Mum stand mixer. Nowadays it’s more likely a KitchenAid, Vorwerk appliance, or similar devices. And yes: the air fryer is definitely a must-have these days!Gustav5789 schrieb:
Does he mean that the wall with the sliding door to the living room isn’t enough to sufficiently dampen normal kitchen noise so you can watch TV there?Let me put it this way: if I make noise with appliances in my open kitchen, my husband is up from the sofa and offering to help in no time. And yes, it can get loud enough that the kids complain when watching TV. I’m asking: what are your reasons for needing such a large pantry?Gustav5789 schrieb:
Hm, I wasn’t aware of that requirement. Currently, our kitchen appliances are just a kettle and toaster. The rest is handled by a hand mixer and handheld blender.
I had hoped that with the relatively large kitchen, we could fit all the appliances on the countertop.
Does he mean that the wall with the sliding door to the living room isn’t enough to reduce the typical kitchen noise enough to watch TV there? Of course, it really depends on personal preferences. If you cook in a “normal” way, I think the noise hardly disturbs the living room. However, our stand mixer, for example, is still clearly audible even when there’s a closed door between the rooms.
I personally enjoy cooking and baking a lot, so I tend to be interested in more appliances. And depending on the dish, having more free countertop space is always useful. Especially with more complex dishes or when cooking for several people, I often have quite a few baking trays, bowls, ingredients, cutting boards, tools, and so on around. When cooking with others, it’s also helpful if everyone has their own “workspace.”
For example, when working with dough, I often have to move to the dining table due to the limited space in the kitchen.
ypg schrieb:
...when I make appliance noise in my open kitchen, my husband is up from the sofa in no time and offers his help.You must have raised him well or chosen him wisely.Regarding the fireplace, have you considered whether it might also fit well in the chill-out room? I would place it cozily in the dark corner for lounging in front of it and have the chimney discreetly run through the utility room.
K a t j a schrieb:
You must have raised or chosen him very well.Yes, there was quite a bit of wear and tear before.Similar topics