ᐅ Preliminary design from the draftsperson for our single-family house
Created on: 12 Feb 2018 10:08
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Julia.86
Hello everyone,
our house construction is finally starting to get serious.
Provided the seller of the plot does not back out at short notice, we have an appointment with the notary in March to draw up the purchase contract.
A few weeks ago, we accepted an offer from a general contractor to visit the plot and the development plan together to see if our desired house could be built there. A draftsman reviewed everything with us, listened to and noted our wishes and ideas during a two-hour meeting.
Last week, we met at the office to review the first draft. Since then, we have decided to provide planners (we want to meet with 2-3 more companies to find the right one) with a list of our wishes and ideas for further discussions. Unfortunately, not everything that is really important to us was considered, and too much attention was given to things that are just “nice-to-have.” >.<
The planner recommended that we carefully think through his draft at home to see what we like and what does not work for us.
Before giving him our feedback, I would like to hear your opinions on this draft. Perhaps some of you with building experience will notice something we are unaware of, or you might challenge our thoughts, which would also be very helpful.
Here is the completed questionnaire first:
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 743m2 (8000 sq ft), 20m x 37m (66 ft x 121 ft)
Slope: yes, sloping downward to the rear, the draftsman estimates the height difference at about 3m (if we own the plot, we were advised to commission a soil report with leveling to allow the best possible house design. We will do that)
Site coverage ratio: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see attachment
Setbacks: 3m (10 ft) from neighbors, 7m (23 ft) to the street
Number of parking spaces: not specified; 2-3 desired
Number of storeys: 2 full storeys allowed
Roof type: only pitched roofs
Architectural style: open style
Maximum heights/limits: with downward slope development, eaves height max. 4.50m (15 ft) above finished floor level
Additional requirements: cistern mandatory with 50 liters (13 gallons) storage volume per m2 of sealed surface area
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: solid construction house, rectangular shape, no bay windows etc., gable roof
Basement, storeys: 1.5 storeys + basement, possibly with a small granny flat/apartment in the basement; ground floor and upper floor about 150m2 (1615 sq ft) total
Number of occupants, ages: 2 adults (31 + 31), planning 1-2 children
Space requirements for ground floor and upper floor:
Office: family use or home office?: both; to be integrated on the ground floor (also as a sleeping option if climbing stairs becomes difficult due to illness. I have some experience with this as an occupational therapist)
Guest sleepers per year: 1-2
Open or enclosed architecture: rather enclosed
Conservative or modern design: rather conservative?
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no, closed kitchen, if possible with a breakfast nook
Number of dining seats: daily use 2-4
Fireplace: chimney duct preferred to be included
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double garage preferred; otherwise, a single garage; my partner would like a door from the garage into the house
Utility garden, greenhouse: maybe a small utility garden for herbs etc.
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why some things are wanted or not:
Shower/toilet on the ground floor (similar reasoning as guest room, and a second shower is practical if children are around);
A small pantry or storage room near the kitchen would be nice;
Walk-in closet (more like a dressing room) in the master bedroom is nice-to-have but not essential;
Because of the slope, we considered planning a small apartment/granny flat in the basement (e.g., in case the single mother-in-law cannot stay in her old house due to health reasons; she actually does not want to leave; or later for the child). Very important is a separate external entrance preferably without stairs (for wheelchair/walker use; and if rented out, so the tenants don’t have to share the stairwell).
House design
Who created the design:
- Planner from a construction company
What do you like most? Why?:
We really like the layout of the upper floor, especially that the children’s rooms are the same size; on the ground floor, we prefer the location of the kitchen and guest room compared to our own sketch (which I will also attach).
What do you dislike? Why?
Basement: That we hardly have usable basement, as the granny flat occupies the whole floor (except for the technical room); in the apartment’s living room, furniture placement is very difficult due to many doors; bathtub has to go, shower would be hard to access in this layout;
Ground floor: The large utility room (unfortunately necessary since no basement room is available, and actually a good solution for the door into the house); we would prefer an open kitchen, but it is probably not feasible with this floor plan?
For us, the biggest problem is the stairwell. On the one hand, I am not sure if the cloakroom will work for a family with children later. On the other hand, the idea of possibly having to share the stairwell with strangers (e.g., stumbling downstairs half asleep in the morning and meeting visitors to the granny flat?) is terrible for me - definitely not an option!
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: 391,000€ (KfW 55 standard, air-to-water heat pump, excluding groundwork estimated at 18,000€, painting, garage)
Personal budget limit for the house: approx. 300,000€
Preferred heating technology: geothermal (our building area requires case-by-case decision), otherwise air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on some details or extras
- You could do without: some square meters, especially the upper floor seems quite generous; door from garage into house is not a must, same as pantry; fireplace; granny flat
- You cannot do without: closed kitchen, very reluctant to give up the ground floor office/guest room, separate entrance for granny flat
Why is the design as it is now?
Draft by the draftsman
Which wishes were implemented by the architect: door from garage into house, closed kitchen, walk-in closet, granny flat in basement (though different than expected)
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Do you see any other critical points? Are we worrying about problems that aren’t really problems?
I fear we may want too much for our budget, where do you see potential savings?
I hope I haven’t forgotten any important points; feel free to ask.
Thanks in advance for reading this long post. I look forward to constructive criticism and suggestions of any kind.
PS: The slope is not as steep as it looks in the exterior views; the draftsman’s software couldn’t display it differently.
our house construction is finally starting to get serious.
Provided the seller of the plot does not back out at short notice, we have an appointment with the notary in March to draw up the purchase contract.
A few weeks ago, we accepted an offer from a general contractor to visit the plot and the development plan together to see if our desired house could be built there. A draftsman reviewed everything with us, listened to and noted our wishes and ideas during a two-hour meeting.
Last week, we met at the office to review the first draft. Since then, we have decided to provide planners (we want to meet with 2-3 more companies to find the right one) with a list of our wishes and ideas for further discussions. Unfortunately, not everything that is really important to us was considered, and too much attention was given to things that are just “nice-to-have.” >.<
The planner recommended that we carefully think through his draft at home to see what we like and what does not work for us.
Before giving him our feedback, I would like to hear your opinions on this draft. Perhaps some of you with building experience will notice something we are unaware of, or you might challenge our thoughts, which would also be very helpful.
Here is the completed questionnaire first:
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 743m2 (8000 sq ft), 20m x 37m (66 ft x 121 ft)
Slope: yes, sloping downward to the rear, the draftsman estimates the height difference at about 3m (if we own the plot, we were advised to commission a soil report with leveling to allow the best possible house design. We will do that)
Site coverage ratio: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see attachment
Setbacks: 3m (10 ft) from neighbors, 7m (23 ft) to the street
Number of parking spaces: not specified; 2-3 desired
Number of storeys: 2 full storeys allowed
Roof type: only pitched roofs
Architectural style: open style
Maximum heights/limits: with downward slope development, eaves height max. 4.50m (15 ft) above finished floor level
Additional requirements: cistern mandatory with 50 liters (13 gallons) storage volume per m2 of sealed surface area
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: solid construction house, rectangular shape, no bay windows etc., gable roof
Basement, storeys: 1.5 storeys + basement, possibly with a small granny flat/apartment in the basement; ground floor and upper floor about 150m2 (1615 sq ft) total
Number of occupants, ages: 2 adults (31 + 31), planning 1-2 children
Space requirements for ground floor and upper floor:
Office: family use or home office?: both; to be integrated on the ground floor (also as a sleeping option if climbing stairs becomes difficult due to illness. I have some experience with this as an occupational therapist)
Guest sleepers per year: 1-2
Open or enclosed architecture: rather enclosed
Conservative or modern design: rather conservative?
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no, closed kitchen, if possible with a breakfast nook
Number of dining seats: daily use 2-4
Fireplace: chimney duct preferred to be included
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double garage preferred; otherwise, a single garage; my partner would like a door from the garage into the house
Utility garden, greenhouse: maybe a small utility garden for herbs etc.
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why some things are wanted or not:
Shower/toilet on the ground floor (similar reasoning as guest room, and a second shower is practical if children are around);
A small pantry or storage room near the kitchen would be nice;
Walk-in closet (more like a dressing room) in the master bedroom is nice-to-have but not essential;
Because of the slope, we considered planning a small apartment/granny flat in the basement (e.g., in case the single mother-in-law cannot stay in her old house due to health reasons; she actually does not want to leave; or later for the child). Very important is a separate external entrance preferably without stairs (for wheelchair/walker use; and if rented out, so the tenants don’t have to share the stairwell).
House design
Who created the design:
- Planner from a construction company
What do you like most? Why?:
We really like the layout of the upper floor, especially that the children’s rooms are the same size; on the ground floor, we prefer the location of the kitchen and guest room compared to our own sketch (which I will also attach).
What do you dislike? Why?
Basement: That we hardly have usable basement, as the granny flat occupies the whole floor (except for the technical room); in the apartment’s living room, furniture placement is very difficult due to many doors; bathtub has to go, shower would be hard to access in this layout;
Ground floor: The large utility room (unfortunately necessary since no basement room is available, and actually a good solution for the door into the house); we would prefer an open kitchen, but it is probably not feasible with this floor plan?
For us, the biggest problem is the stairwell. On the one hand, I am not sure if the cloakroom will work for a family with children later. On the other hand, the idea of possibly having to share the stairwell with strangers (e.g., stumbling downstairs half asleep in the morning and meeting visitors to the granny flat?) is terrible for me - definitely not an option!
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: 391,000€ (KfW 55 standard, air-to-water heat pump, excluding groundwork estimated at 18,000€, painting, garage)
Personal budget limit for the house: approx. 300,000€
Preferred heating technology: geothermal (our building area requires case-by-case decision), otherwise air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on some details or extras
- You could do without: some square meters, especially the upper floor seems quite generous; door from garage into house is not a must, same as pantry; fireplace; granny flat
- You cannot do without: closed kitchen, very reluctant to give up the ground floor office/guest room, separate entrance for granny flat
Why is the design as it is now?
Draft by the draftsman
Which wishes were implemented by the architect: door from garage into house, closed kitchen, walk-in closet, granny flat in basement (though different than expected)
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Do you see any other critical points? Are we worrying about problems that aren’t really problems?
I fear we may want too much for our budget, where do you see potential savings?
I hope I haven’t forgotten any important points; feel free to ask.
Thanks in advance for reading this long post. I look forward to constructive criticism and suggestions of any kind.
PS: The slope is not as steep as it looks in the exterior views; the draftsman’s software couldn’t display it differently.
I prefer design 2.
The basement apartment has the garden. For me, having my own house with children but no direct garden access where I can also keep an eye on them is a no-go.
I don’t like the entrance situation.
You enter the door and immediately face the stairs. It doesn’t look good to me and it’s impractical. Always walking through dirt with slippers and socks.
Where is the wardrobe/coat rack anyway?
The basement apartment has the garden. For me, having my own house with children but no direct garden access where I can also keep an eye on them is a no-go.
I don’t like the entrance situation.
You enter the door and immediately face the stairs. It doesn’t look good to me and it’s impractical. Always walking through dirt with slippers and socks.
Where is the wardrobe/coat rack anyway?
@Nordlys: Thank you very much for the quick feedback. We also find option G more visually appealing.
Unfortunately, I can’t convince my boyfriend to change the garage/laundry room door; he’s quite stubborn about it. I personally don’t really see the benefit, especially since it’s just a small single garage. But he’s convinced it adds value. It will only cost us roughly a thousand more. If it makes him happy, he can have it. XD
@haydee:
The wardrobe will probably be located in the U-shape area under the stairs. Originally, there was supposed to be a wall there. It seems to have been left out in the updated drawing. I just noticed that myself.
My brother and I also grew up without our parents having direct access to the garden. Essentially, we lived in a similar way, except that my childhood home is a true two-family house: my grandparents lived downstairs, and my parents, brother, and I lived upstairs. Later on, the downstairs apartment was rented out to others, but we still used the garden for barbecues and such. It was only recently that my parents moved downstairs themselves.
I understand your concern but, based on my own experience, it’s not really an issue for me.
The granny flat will also have its own terrace area, but not access to the entire garden.
Unfortunately, I can’t convince my boyfriend to change the garage/laundry room door; he’s quite stubborn about it. I personally don’t really see the benefit, especially since it’s just a small single garage. But he’s convinced it adds value. It will only cost us roughly a thousand more. If it makes him happy, he can have it. XD
@haydee:
The wardrobe will probably be located in the U-shape area under the stairs. Originally, there was supposed to be a wall there. It seems to have been left out in the updated drawing. I just noticed that myself.
My brother and I also grew up without our parents having direct access to the garden. Essentially, we lived in a similar way, except that my childhood home is a true two-family house: my grandparents lived downstairs, and my parents, brother, and I lived upstairs. Later on, the downstairs apartment was rented out to others, but we still used the garden for barbecues and such. It was only recently that my parents moved downstairs themselves.
I understand your concern but, based on my own experience, it’s not really an issue for me.
The granny flat will also have its own terrace area, but not access to the entire garden.
haydee schrieb:
Always walking through the dirt in house shoes and socks. I don’t understand where this obsession with a mud and crumb puddle behind the front door comes from in this forum. I have a mat and a shoe scraper there, and it has worked for almost 50 years.
Julia.86 schrieb:
The coat rack will probably find its place in the U-shape of the staircase. In my opinion, that’s enough. My winter jacket is already hanging one cabinet further, it doesn’t need to take up space there in summer.
Julia.86 schrieb:
but he is convinced of the added value.. It only costs us roughly a thousand more.. No way, otherwise it would be a top-quality burglar door. And with a garage width where you can only walk beside the car without carrying anything, it’s absolutely pointless. No wolves will attack him on the eight meters (about 26 feet) outside. Men.
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haydee schrieb:
Under the bottom step of the stairs, the staircase leads down to the basement.
It’s your decision. From my experience with a toddler, it’s doable but really impractical.The space for the wardrobe is planned as shown in this excerpt. Above it, on the wall between the kitchen and living room, I could also imagine a chest of drawers for shoes or similar items.I’m currently recreating the floor plan in a computer program to try furnishing it.
Hmm, I probably wouldn’t let a toddler outside alone even if the garden was directly accessible from the living room… I’d most likely still go outside with them XD
Having the stairs so close to the entrance door certainly has disadvantages, especially in winter, but I’m afraid it’s difficult to arrange it differently given the floor area.
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