ᐅ Preliminary design from the draftsperson for our single-family house
Created on: 12 Feb 2018 10:08
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Julia.86
Hello everyone,
our house construction is finally starting to get serious.
Provided the seller of the plot does not back out at short notice, we have an appointment with the notary in March to draw up the purchase contract.
A few weeks ago, we accepted an offer from a general contractor to visit the plot and the development plan together to see if our desired house could be built there. A draftsman reviewed everything with us, listened to and noted our wishes and ideas during a two-hour meeting.
Last week, we met at the office to review the first draft. Since then, we have decided to provide planners (we want to meet with 2-3 more companies to find the right one) with a list of our wishes and ideas for further discussions. Unfortunately, not everything that is really important to us was considered, and too much attention was given to things that are just “nice-to-have.” >.<
The planner recommended that we carefully think through his draft at home to see what we like and what does not work for us.
Before giving him our feedback, I would like to hear your opinions on this draft. Perhaps some of you with building experience will notice something we are unaware of, or you might challenge our thoughts, which would also be very helpful.
Here is the completed questionnaire first:
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 743m2 (8000 sq ft), 20m x 37m (66 ft x 121 ft)
Slope: yes, sloping downward to the rear, the draftsman estimates the height difference at about 3m (if we own the plot, we were advised to commission a soil report with leveling to allow the best possible house design. We will do that)
Site coverage ratio: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see attachment
Setbacks: 3m (10 ft) from neighbors, 7m (23 ft) to the street
Number of parking spaces: not specified; 2-3 desired
Number of storeys: 2 full storeys allowed
Roof type: only pitched roofs
Architectural style: open style
Maximum heights/limits: with downward slope development, eaves height max. 4.50m (15 ft) above finished floor level
Additional requirements: cistern mandatory with 50 liters (13 gallons) storage volume per m2 of sealed surface area
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: solid construction house, rectangular shape, no bay windows etc., gable roof
Basement, storeys: 1.5 storeys + basement, possibly with a small granny flat/apartment in the basement; ground floor and upper floor about 150m2 (1615 sq ft) total
Number of occupants, ages: 2 adults (31 + 31), planning 1-2 children
Space requirements for ground floor and upper floor:
Office: family use or home office?: both; to be integrated on the ground floor (also as a sleeping option if climbing stairs becomes difficult due to illness. I have some experience with this as an occupational therapist)
Guest sleepers per year: 1-2
Open or enclosed architecture: rather enclosed
Conservative or modern design: rather conservative?
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no, closed kitchen, if possible with a breakfast nook
Number of dining seats: daily use 2-4
Fireplace: chimney duct preferred to be included
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double garage preferred; otherwise, a single garage; my partner would like a door from the garage into the house
Utility garden, greenhouse: maybe a small utility garden for herbs etc.
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why some things are wanted or not:
Shower/toilet on the ground floor (similar reasoning as guest room, and a second shower is practical if children are around);
A small pantry or storage room near the kitchen would be nice;
Walk-in closet (more like a dressing room) in the master bedroom is nice-to-have but not essential;
Because of the slope, we considered planning a small apartment/granny flat in the basement (e.g., in case the single mother-in-law cannot stay in her old house due to health reasons; she actually does not want to leave; or later for the child). Very important is a separate external entrance preferably without stairs (for wheelchair/walker use; and if rented out, so the tenants don’t have to share the stairwell).
House design
Who created the design:
- Planner from a construction company
What do you like most? Why?:
We really like the layout of the upper floor, especially that the children’s rooms are the same size; on the ground floor, we prefer the location of the kitchen and guest room compared to our own sketch (which I will also attach).
What do you dislike? Why?
Basement: That we hardly have usable basement, as the granny flat occupies the whole floor (except for the technical room); in the apartment’s living room, furniture placement is very difficult due to many doors; bathtub has to go, shower would be hard to access in this layout;
Ground floor: The large utility room (unfortunately necessary since no basement room is available, and actually a good solution for the door into the house); we would prefer an open kitchen, but it is probably not feasible with this floor plan?
For us, the biggest problem is the stairwell. On the one hand, I am not sure if the cloakroom will work for a family with children later. On the other hand, the idea of possibly having to share the stairwell with strangers (e.g., stumbling downstairs half asleep in the morning and meeting visitors to the granny flat?) is terrible for me - definitely not an option!
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: 391,000€ (KfW 55 standard, air-to-water heat pump, excluding groundwork estimated at 18,000€, painting, garage)
Personal budget limit for the house: approx. 300,000€
Preferred heating technology: geothermal (our building area requires case-by-case decision), otherwise air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on some details or extras
- You could do without: some square meters, especially the upper floor seems quite generous; door from garage into house is not a must, same as pantry; fireplace; granny flat
- You cannot do without: closed kitchen, very reluctant to give up the ground floor office/guest room, separate entrance for granny flat
Why is the design as it is now?
Draft by the draftsman
Which wishes were implemented by the architect: door from garage into house, closed kitchen, walk-in closet, granny flat in basement (though different than expected)
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Do you see any other critical points? Are we worrying about problems that aren’t really problems?
I fear we may want too much for our budget, where do you see potential savings?
I hope I haven’t forgotten any important points; feel free to ask.
Thanks in advance for reading this long post. I look forward to constructive criticism and suggestions of any kind.
PS: The slope is not as steep as it looks in the exterior views; the draftsman’s software couldn’t display it differently.
our house construction is finally starting to get serious.
Provided the seller of the plot does not back out at short notice, we have an appointment with the notary in March to draw up the purchase contract.
A few weeks ago, we accepted an offer from a general contractor to visit the plot and the development plan together to see if our desired house could be built there. A draftsman reviewed everything with us, listened to and noted our wishes and ideas during a two-hour meeting.
Last week, we met at the office to review the first draft. Since then, we have decided to provide planners (we want to meet with 2-3 more companies to find the right one) with a list of our wishes and ideas for further discussions. Unfortunately, not everything that is really important to us was considered, and too much attention was given to things that are just “nice-to-have.” >.<
The planner recommended that we carefully think through his draft at home to see what we like and what does not work for us.
Before giving him our feedback, I would like to hear your opinions on this draft. Perhaps some of you with building experience will notice something we are unaware of, or you might challenge our thoughts, which would also be very helpful.
Here is the completed questionnaire first:
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 743m2 (8000 sq ft), 20m x 37m (66 ft x 121 ft)
Slope: yes, sloping downward to the rear, the draftsman estimates the height difference at about 3m (if we own the plot, we were advised to commission a soil report with leveling to allow the best possible house design. We will do that)
Site coverage ratio: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see attachment
Setbacks: 3m (10 ft) from neighbors, 7m (23 ft) to the street
Number of parking spaces: not specified; 2-3 desired
Number of storeys: 2 full storeys allowed
Roof type: only pitched roofs
Architectural style: open style
Maximum heights/limits: with downward slope development, eaves height max. 4.50m (15 ft) above finished floor level
Additional requirements: cistern mandatory with 50 liters (13 gallons) storage volume per m2 of sealed surface area
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: solid construction house, rectangular shape, no bay windows etc., gable roof
Basement, storeys: 1.5 storeys + basement, possibly with a small granny flat/apartment in the basement; ground floor and upper floor about 150m2 (1615 sq ft) total
Number of occupants, ages: 2 adults (31 + 31), planning 1-2 children
Space requirements for ground floor and upper floor:
Office: family use or home office?: both; to be integrated on the ground floor (also as a sleeping option if climbing stairs becomes difficult due to illness. I have some experience with this as an occupational therapist)
Guest sleepers per year: 1-2
Open or enclosed architecture: rather enclosed
Conservative or modern design: rather conservative?
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no, closed kitchen, if possible with a breakfast nook
Number of dining seats: daily use 2-4
Fireplace: chimney duct preferred to be included
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double garage preferred; otherwise, a single garage; my partner would like a door from the garage into the house
Utility garden, greenhouse: maybe a small utility garden for herbs etc.
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why some things are wanted or not:
Shower/toilet on the ground floor (similar reasoning as guest room, and a second shower is practical if children are around);
A small pantry or storage room near the kitchen would be nice;
Walk-in closet (more like a dressing room) in the master bedroom is nice-to-have but not essential;
Because of the slope, we considered planning a small apartment/granny flat in the basement (e.g., in case the single mother-in-law cannot stay in her old house due to health reasons; she actually does not want to leave; or later for the child). Very important is a separate external entrance preferably without stairs (for wheelchair/walker use; and if rented out, so the tenants don’t have to share the stairwell).
House design
Who created the design:
- Planner from a construction company
What do you like most? Why?:
We really like the layout of the upper floor, especially that the children’s rooms are the same size; on the ground floor, we prefer the location of the kitchen and guest room compared to our own sketch (which I will also attach).
What do you dislike? Why?
Basement: That we hardly have usable basement, as the granny flat occupies the whole floor (except for the technical room); in the apartment’s living room, furniture placement is very difficult due to many doors; bathtub has to go, shower would be hard to access in this layout;
Ground floor: The large utility room (unfortunately necessary since no basement room is available, and actually a good solution for the door into the house); we would prefer an open kitchen, but it is probably not feasible with this floor plan?
For us, the biggest problem is the stairwell. On the one hand, I am not sure if the cloakroom will work for a family with children later. On the other hand, the idea of possibly having to share the stairwell with strangers (e.g., stumbling downstairs half asleep in the morning and meeting visitors to the granny flat?) is terrible for me - definitely not an option!
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: 391,000€ (KfW 55 standard, air-to-water heat pump, excluding groundwork estimated at 18,000€, painting, garage)
Personal budget limit for the house: approx. 300,000€
Preferred heating technology: geothermal (our building area requires case-by-case decision), otherwise air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on some details or extras
- You could do without: some square meters, especially the upper floor seems quite generous; door from garage into house is not a must, same as pantry; fireplace; granny flat
- You cannot do without: closed kitchen, very reluctant to give up the ground floor office/guest room, separate entrance for granny flat
Why is the design as it is now?
Draft by the draftsman
Which wishes were implemented by the architect: door from garage into house, closed kitchen, walk-in closet, granny flat in basement (though different than expected)
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Do you see any other critical points? Are we worrying about problems that aren’t really problems?
I fear we may want too much for our budget, where do you see potential savings?
I hope I haven’t forgotten any important points; feel free to ask.
Thanks in advance for reading this long post. I look forward to constructive criticism and suggestions of any kind.
PS: The slope is not as steep as it looks in the exterior views; the draftsman’s software couldn’t display it differently.
Oh dear, you’re really confusing me and making me unsure about the slope. The draftsman simply mentioned 3m (10 feet)... I assumed that referred to the entire property.
However, on two neighboring plots, there is also a house with a (pushed-out) basement.
I’m happy to repeat myself for the third time: as soon as we own the property, the first step will be to commission a soil survey with leveling.
I’m attaching two photos of the property. One taken from the street (where it looks fairly flat) and another from the lower adjacent property looking uphill (where you can clearly see the slope).
However, on two neighboring plots, there is also a house with a (pushed-out) basement.
I’m happy to repeat myself for the third time: as soon as we own the property, the first step will be to commission a soil survey with leveling.
I’m attaching two photos of the property. One taken from the street (where it looks fairly flat) and another from the lower adjacent property looking uphill (where you can clearly see the slope).
Julia.86 schrieb:
Maybe this view will help with better understanding? Certainly. That looks like only about a one-third storey slope within the building depth. I wouldn’t expect a basement living area there voluntarily. But still, a living room at the level of the garden side would be welcome. Perhaps accessible via a main entrance leading to an intermediate stair landing—that is, with the front door at what would be considered a “raised ground floor” from the garden side.
Julia.86 schrieb:
Regarding split-level: the house in question is less than five years old That could be exactly the problem if the architect is still young: they might not be familiar with this concept, and end up reproducing the interpretation valid forty years ago—an open-plan space somewhat unfortunately divided into many half-levels.
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My parents-in-law built their house 40 years ago. The architect might have taken the noise from three children into account.
I think it depends on how the levels are designed.
For example, in my parents-in-law's house, the kitchen, dining, living area, and a bathroom are all on one level.
Overall, I believe you don't necessarily end up climbing more stairs.
I think it depends on how the levels are designed.
For example, in my parents-in-law's house, the kitchen, dining, living area, and a bathroom are all on one level.
Overall, I believe you don't necessarily end up climbing more stairs.
@Julia.86
Don’t get confused by any speculation.
If something doesn’t suit you, it’s not necessary.
But you do have a potential that can be used. If you don’t want to build upwards, then build downwards instead. In the end, it amounts to the same thing, just a bit more thoughtful.
If you keep things modest, even a separate area of 30 cm (12 inches) can remain for family members requiring care.
Don’t get confused by any speculation.
If something doesn’t suit you, it’s not necessary.
But you do have a potential that can be used. If you don’t want to build upwards, then build downwards instead. In the end, it amounts to the same thing, just a bit more thoughtful.
If you keep things modest, even a separate area of 30 cm (12 inches) can remain for family members requiring care.
haydee schrieb:
Overall, I don't think you necessarily end up using the stairs more. This largely depends on the layout of the rooms and their functions.
However, I don’t think this is a typical case of an obvious split level. This issue reminds me of a similar situation—though with the slope facing the opposite direction—from last summer: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/unzufrieden-mit-architektenplan.24855
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