ᐅ Preliminary design from the draftsperson for our single-family house
Created on: 12 Feb 2018 10:08
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Julia.86
Hello everyone,
our house construction is finally starting to get serious.
Provided the seller of the plot does not back out at short notice, we have an appointment with the notary in March to draw up the purchase contract.
A few weeks ago, we accepted an offer from a general contractor to visit the plot and the development plan together to see if our desired house could be built there. A draftsman reviewed everything with us, listened to and noted our wishes and ideas during a two-hour meeting.
Last week, we met at the office to review the first draft. Since then, we have decided to provide planners (we want to meet with 2-3 more companies to find the right one) with a list of our wishes and ideas for further discussions. Unfortunately, not everything that is really important to us was considered, and too much attention was given to things that are just “nice-to-have.” >.<
The planner recommended that we carefully think through his draft at home to see what we like and what does not work for us.
Before giving him our feedback, I would like to hear your opinions on this draft. Perhaps some of you with building experience will notice something we are unaware of, or you might challenge our thoughts, which would also be very helpful.
Here is the completed questionnaire first:
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 743m2 (8000 sq ft), 20m x 37m (66 ft x 121 ft)
Slope: yes, sloping downward to the rear, the draftsman estimates the height difference at about 3m (if we own the plot, we were advised to commission a soil report with leveling to allow the best possible house design. We will do that)
Site coverage ratio: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see attachment
Setbacks: 3m (10 ft) from neighbors, 7m (23 ft) to the street
Number of parking spaces: not specified; 2-3 desired
Number of storeys: 2 full storeys allowed
Roof type: only pitched roofs
Architectural style: open style
Maximum heights/limits: with downward slope development, eaves height max. 4.50m (15 ft) above finished floor level
Additional requirements: cistern mandatory with 50 liters (13 gallons) storage volume per m2 of sealed surface area
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: solid construction house, rectangular shape, no bay windows etc., gable roof
Basement, storeys: 1.5 storeys + basement, possibly with a small granny flat/apartment in the basement; ground floor and upper floor about 150m2 (1615 sq ft) total
Number of occupants, ages: 2 adults (31 + 31), planning 1-2 children
Space requirements for ground floor and upper floor:
Office: family use or home office?: both; to be integrated on the ground floor (also as a sleeping option if climbing stairs becomes difficult due to illness. I have some experience with this as an occupational therapist)
Guest sleepers per year: 1-2
Open or enclosed architecture: rather enclosed
Conservative or modern design: rather conservative?
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no, closed kitchen, if possible with a breakfast nook
Number of dining seats: daily use 2-4
Fireplace: chimney duct preferred to be included
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double garage preferred; otherwise, a single garage; my partner would like a door from the garage into the house
Utility garden, greenhouse: maybe a small utility garden for herbs etc.
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why some things are wanted or not:
Shower/toilet on the ground floor (similar reasoning as guest room, and a second shower is practical if children are around);
A small pantry or storage room near the kitchen would be nice;
Walk-in closet (more like a dressing room) in the master bedroom is nice-to-have but not essential;
Because of the slope, we considered planning a small apartment/granny flat in the basement (e.g., in case the single mother-in-law cannot stay in her old house due to health reasons; she actually does not want to leave; or later for the child). Very important is a separate external entrance preferably without stairs (for wheelchair/walker use; and if rented out, so the tenants don’t have to share the stairwell).
House design
Who created the design:
- Planner from a construction company
What do you like most? Why?:
We really like the layout of the upper floor, especially that the children’s rooms are the same size; on the ground floor, we prefer the location of the kitchen and guest room compared to our own sketch (which I will also attach).
What do you dislike? Why?
Basement: That we hardly have usable basement, as the granny flat occupies the whole floor (except for the technical room); in the apartment’s living room, furniture placement is very difficult due to many doors; bathtub has to go, shower would be hard to access in this layout;
Ground floor: The large utility room (unfortunately necessary since no basement room is available, and actually a good solution for the door into the house); we would prefer an open kitchen, but it is probably not feasible with this floor plan?
For us, the biggest problem is the stairwell. On the one hand, I am not sure if the cloakroom will work for a family with children later. On the other hand, the idea of possibly having to share the stairwell with strangers (e.g., stumbling downstairs half asleep in the morning and meeting visitors to the granny flat?) is terrible for me - definitely not an option!
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: 391,000€ (KfW 55 standard, air-to-water heat pump, excluding groundwork estimated at 18,000€, painting, garage)
Personal budget limit for the house: approx. 300,000€
Preferred heating technology: geothermal (our building area requires case-by-case decision), otherwise air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on some details or extras
- You could do without: some square meters, especially the upper floor seems quite generous; door from garage into house is not a must, same as pantry; fireplace; granny flat
- You cannot do without: closed kitchen, very reluctant to give up the ground floor office/guest room, separate entrance for granny flat
Why is the design as it is now?
Draft by the draftsman
Which wishes were implemented by the architect: door from garage into house, closed kitchen, walk-in closet, granny flat in basement (though different than expected)
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Do you see any other critical points? Are we worrying about problems that aren’t really problems?
I fear we may want too much for our budget, where do you see potential savings?
I hope I haven’t forgotten any important points; feel free to ask.
Thanks in advance for reading this long post. I look forward to constructive criticism and suggestions of any kind.
PS: The slope is not as steep as it looks in the exterior views; the draftsman’s software couldn’t display it differently.
our house construction is finally starting to get serious.
Provided the seller of the plot does not back out at short notice, we have an appointment with the notary in March to draw up the purchase contract.
A few weeks ago, we accepted an offer from a general contractor to visit the plot and the development plan together to see if our desired house could be built there. A draftsman reviewed everything with us, listened to and noted our wishes and ideas during a two-hour meeting.
Last week, we met at the office to review the first draft. Since then, we have decided to provide planners (we want to meet with 2-3 more companies to find the right one) with a list of our wishes and ideas for further discussions. Unfortunately, not everything that is really important to us was considered, and too much attention was given to things that are just “nice-to-have.” >.<
The planner recommended that we carefully think through his draft at home to see what we like and what does not work for us.
Before giving him our feedback, I would like to hear your opinions on this draft. Perhaps some of you with building experience will notice something we are unaware of, or you might challenge our thoughts, which would also be very helpful.
Here is the completed questionnaire first:
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 743m2 (8000 sq ft), 20m x 37m (66 ft x 121 ft)
Slope: yes, sloping downward to the rear, the draftsman estimates the height difference at about 3m (if we own the plot, we were advised to commission a soil report with leveling to allow the best possible house design. We will do that)
Site coverage ratio: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see attachment
Setbacks: 3m (10 ft) from neighbors, 7m (23 ft) to the street
Number of parking spaces: not specified; 2-3 desired
Number of storeys: 2 full storeys allowed
Roof type: only pitched roofs
Architectural style: open style
Maximum heights/limits: with downward slope development, eaves height max. 4.50m (15 ft) above finished floor level
Additional requirements: cistern mandatory with 50 liters (13 gallons) storage volume per m2 of sealed surface area
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: solid construction house, rectangular shape, no bay windows etc., gable roof
Basement, storeys: 1.5 storeys + basement, possibly with a small granny flat/apartment in the basement; ground floor and upper floor about 150m2 (1615 sq ft) total
Number of occupants, ages: 2 adults (31 + 31), planning 1-2 children
Space requirements for ground floor and upper floor:
Office: family use or home office?: both; to be integrated on the ground floor (also as a sleeping option if climbing stairs becomes difficult due to illness. I have some experience with this as an occupational therapist)
Guest sleepers per year: 1-2
Open or enclosed architecture: rather enclosed
Conservative or modern design: rather conservative?
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no, closed kitchen, if possible with a breakfast nook
Number of dining seats: daily use 2-4
Fireplace: chimney duct preferred to be included
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double garage preferred; otherwise, a single garage; my partner would like a door from the garage into the house
Utility garden, greenhouse: maybe a small utility garden for herbs etc.
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why some things are wanted or not:
Shower/toilet on the ground floor (similar reasoning as guest room, and a second shower is practical if children are around);
A small pantry or storage room near the kitchen would be nice;
Walk-in closet (more like a dressing room) in the master bedroom is nice-to-have but not essential;
Because of the slope, we considered planning a small apartment/granny flat in the basement (e.g., in case the single mother-in-law cannot stay in her old house due to health reasons; she actually does not want to leave; or later for the child). Very important is a separate external entrance preferably without stairs (for wheelchair/walker use; and if rented out, so the tenants don’t have to share the stairwell).
House design
Who created the design:
- Planner from a construction company
What do you like most? Why?:
We really like the layout of the upper floor, especially that the children’s rooms are the same size; on the ground floor, we prefer the location of the kitchen and guest room compared to our own sketch (which I will also attach).
What do you dislike? Why?
Basement: That we hardly have usable basement, as the granny flat occupies the whole floor (except for the technical room); in the apartment’s living room, furniture placement is very difficult due to many doors; bathtub has to go, shower would be hard to access in this layout;
Ground floor: The large utility room (unfortunately necessary since no basement room is available, and actually a good solution for the door into the house); we would prefer an open kitchen, but it is probably not feasible with this floor plan?
For us, the biggest problem is the stairwell. On the one hand, I am not sure if the cloakroom will work for a family with children later. On the other hand, the idea of possibly having to share the stairwell with strangers (e.g., stumbling downstairs half asleep in the morning and meeting visitors to the granny flat?) is terrible for me - definitely not an option!
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: 391,000€ (KfW 55 standard, air-to-water heat pump, excluding groundwork estimated at 18,000€, painting, garage)
Personal budget limit for the house: approx. 300,000€
Preferred heating technology: geothermal (our building area requires case-by-case decision), otherwise air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on some details or extras
- You could do without: some square meters, especially the upper floor seems quite generous; door from garage into house is not a must, same as pantry; fireplace; granny flat
- You cannot do without: closed kitchen, very reluctant to give up the ground floor office/guest room, separate entrance for granny flat
Why is the design as it is now?
Draft by the draftsman
Which wishes were implemented by the architect: door from garage into house, closed kitchen, walk-in closet, granny flat in basement (though different than expected)
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Do you see any other critical points? Are we worrying about problems that aren’t really problems?
I fear we may want too much for our budget, where do you see potential savings?
I hope I haven’t forgotten any important points; feel free to ask.
Thanks in advance for reading this long post. I look forward to constructive criticism and suggestions of any kind.
PS: The slope is not as steep as it looks in the exterior views; the draftsman’s software couldn’t display it differently.
Julia.86 schrieb:
Cost estimate according to the architect/planner: €391,000 (KFW 55 standard, air-to-water heat pump, excluding groundwork – estimated by planner at €18,000 –, painting work, garage)
Personal price limit for the house: around €300,000
Preferred heating technology: geothermal (in our building area, each case is decided individually), otherwise air-to-water heat pump
Wow, what's going on here? Usually, the first thing people question is the construction costs.
If this isn’t a typo, you’re already €100,000 over your budget. A few savings probably won’t make much difference here.
Basti2709 schrieb:
Wow, what’s going on here… Usually, the first thing people question is the construction costs.
If this isn’t a typo, you are already €100,000 over your budget. A few savings won’t make much difference then. That seems quite obvious.
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Bieber081512 Feb 2018 13:02My thoughts:
- In my opinion, the hillside location and orientation strongly call for an architect. This should really be planned individually. The general contractor (GC) can still implement the plans afterwards. But don’t let the GC do the planning—most aren’t capable (they simply don’t have the capacity).
- As far as I understand, you want a guest room, an office, and a granny flat/apartment. But you have limited resources (like most, or rather all of us here). You need to set priorities. In my opinion, one room should either be an office or a guest room. Or very large (but you’re only aiming for 150 m² (1,615 sq ft)).
Wow, thank you very much for the lively participation so far.
As a quiet reader for quite some time, I was already preparing myself for direct feedback, which is exactly why I’m writing here.
I was also a bit surprised that the budget was only addressed so late.
No, unfortunately that’s not a typo… the offer is actually 100,000€ above our budget limit.
The planner didn’t know what we had set as our maximum budget either.
We expected that not everything would fit financially, but the difference being that big then surprised us a bit. :-/
@ypg: I find the idea of placing part of the living space in the basement interesting; I’ll have to discuss that with my partner tonight.
That would mean the end of the granny flat / in-law suite… but we’ll have to make cuts somewhere anyway. At least the basement would still be used sensibly then. Hmm...
@86bibo: Wow, very thorough feedback!!
We don’t really like our own floor plans either, especially since some parts are not practical to implement... so we gave up on that and want to approach it with a professional instead.
Thank you very much for the many suggestions regarding everyday usability!
I also find the idea of having a room for the mother-in-law interesting as an alternative to the granny flat / in-law suite, though it takes some getting used to... (No offense meant—I have a very good relationship with my mother-in-law. But even if it were my own mother, I wouldn’t know if it wouldn’t bother me in the long run...)
@Bieber0815: The office/guest room is primarily intended to function as a study/workroom. In an emergency, it should allow for sleeping arrangements, though then it would no longer be used as an office.
Reading all your posts, I think my gut feeling was right that it makes little sense to tinker and redraw these floor plans (from the general contractor), but that we should really start over from scratch.
Because of the location / slope, we deliberately chose a general contractor who doesn’t offer catalog or standard homes, but maybe we really do need to look at independent architects after all...
As a quiet reader for quite some time, I was already preparing myself for direct feedback, which is exactly why I’m writing here.
I was also a bit surprised that the budget was only addressed so late.
No, unfortunately that’s not a typo… the offer is actually 100,000€ above our budget limit.
The planner didn’t know what we had set as our maximum budget either.
We expected that not everything would fit financially, but the difference being that big then surprised us a bit. :-/
@ypg: I find the idea of placing part of the living space in the basement interesting; I’ll have to discuss that with my partner tonight.
That would mean the end of the granny flat / in-law suite… but we’ll have to make cuts somewhere anyway. At least the basement would still be used sensibly then. Hmm...
@86bibo: Wow, very thorough feedback!!
We don’t really like our own floor plans either, especially since some parts are not practical to implement... so we gave up on that and want to approach it with a professional instead.
Thank you very much for the many suggestions regarding everyday usability!
I also find the idea of having a room for the mother-in-law interesting as an alternative to the granny flat / in-law suite, though it takes some getting used to... (No offense meant—I have a very good relationship with my mother-in-law. But even if it were my own mother, I wouldn’t know if it wouldn’t bother me in the long run...)
@Bieber0815: The office/guest room is primarily intended to function as a study/workroom. In an emergency, it should allow for sleeping arrangements, though then it would no longer be used as an office.
Reading all your posts, I think my gut feeling was right that it makes little sense to tinker and redraw these floor plans (from the general contractor), but that we should really start over from scratch.
Because of the location / slope, we deliberately chose a general contractor who doesn’t offer catalog or standard homes, but maybe we really do need to look at independent architects after all...
I would skip the granny flat. Put the children's bedrooms in the basement with a bathroom, utility room, and office. On the ground floor, have the living area, kitchen, and master bedroom with bathroom.
That might still leave enough budget for an elaborate outdoor area, where I would treat myself to a beautiful staircase leading to the garden. Or to add a storage shed next to the garage. Or, and so on.
That might still leave enough budget for an elaborate outdoor area, where I would treat myself to a beautiful staircase leading to the garden. Or to add a storage shed next to the garage. Or, and so on.
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