Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 1100sqm (1,1840 sq ft)
Slope: Yes (west to east)
Building coverage ratio / Floor area ratio: none
Building envelope, building line and boundary: none
Edge development: Theoretically possible, as neighboring plot belongs to parents
Number of parking spaces: 2 per housing unit (relevant if split into two apartments)
Number of floors: none
Roof type: only gable roof & hip roof (also for garage!)
Architectural style: none
Orientation: none
Maximum heights/restrictions: none
Other requirements: roof overhang of at least 50cm (20 inches)
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: hip roof urban villa
Basement, floors: yes, 2 full floors
Number of people, ages: 36, 35, 4, 0
Space requirements on ground floor, upper floor:
Office: family use or home office? Home office once a week
Guest overnight stays per year: 1-2
Open or closed architecture: semi-open
Conservative or modern style: rather modern
Open kitchen, cooking island: yes, yes
Number of dining seats: 4-8
Fireplace: not necessary, also can’t find a suitable place
Music / stereo wall: TV wall yes
Balcony, roof terrace: balcony (only due to possible split into two apartments)
Garage, carport: double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse
Additional wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why this or that should or shouldn’t be: bay window with balcony, even if it gets expensive…
House Design
Who designed it: do-it-yourself with SweetHome3D
What do you like most? Why? Everything. I think I spent so long working on the floor plan that I’m in love with it and probably totally “blind” to its flaws.
What do you dislike? Why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 750,000€
Preferred heating system: gas
If you had to give up, which details/extensions
- could you do without: somehow nothing
- could you not do without: large entrance/wardrobe; large children’s rooms; master bedroom facing east (I want to watch the sunrise); large aquarium as a highlight in the living area; platform staircase; children’s bathroom; and my wife absolutely wants a gallery.
Why did the design turn out as it is now?
I looked at almost every floor plan from all prefabricated house manufacturers and, annoyed by the “cookie-cutter” designs (keyword: living room/kitchen/dining all in one long corridor and stairs always immediately by the dirty entrance), I started working out my own floor plan. Many thanks to this forum because I have learned a lot from the floor plan discussions here! I even dealt with Feng Shui for the layout.
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
The rooms are ideally oriented to the sun: living spaces face south, unoccupied rooms face north. In addition, the slight slope (to the east) allows for nice walk-out basement rooms. The layout can also be easily split into two apartments, making it flexible for a barrier-free future. Technical aspects and piping were also considered: the utility room is on the street side and pipes/water lines don’t run erratically but are kept close together.
The only downside I see is that the kitchen is “far” from the entrance. However, I don’t find this very problematic and only mention it because it would probably be a common criticism.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
I’m grateful for suggestions or optimizations of any kind! Especially tips for the master bathroom. I’m not 100% satisfied yet.
Good luck
Alro
Plot size: 1100sqm (1,1840 sq ft)
Slope: Yes (west to east)
Building coverage ratio / Floor area ratio: none
Building envelope, building line and boundary: none
Edge development: Theoretically possible, as neighboring plot belongs to parents
Number of parking spaces: 2 per housing unit (relevant if split into two apartments)
Number of floors: none
Roof type: only gable roof & hip roof (also for garage!)
Architectural style: none
Orientation: none
Maximum heights/restrictions: none
Other requirements: roof overhang of at least 50cm (20 inches)
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: hip roof urban villa
Basement, floors: yes, 2 full floors
Number of people, ages: 36, 35, 4, 0
Space requirements on ground floor, upper floor:
Office: family use or home office? Home office once a week
Guest overnight stays per year: 1-2
Open or closed architecture: semi-open
Conservative or modern style: rather modern
Open kitchen, cooking island: yes, yes
Number of dining seats: 4-8
Fireplace: not necessary, also can’t find a suitable place
Music / stereo wall: TV wall yes
Balcony, roof terrace: balcony (only due to possible split into two apartments)
Garage, carport: double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse
Additional wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why this or that should or shouldn’t be: bay window with balcony, even if it gets expensive…
House Design
Who designed it: do-it-yourself with SweetHome3D
What do you like most? Why? Everything. I think I spent so long working on the floor plan that I’m in love with it and probably totally “blind” to its flaws.
What do you dislike? Why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 750,000€
Preferred heating system: gas
If you had to give up, which details/extensions
- could you do without: somehow nothing
- could you not do without: large entrance/wardrobe; large children’s rooms; master bedroom facing east (I want to watch the sunrise); large aquarium as a highlight in the living area; platform staircase; children’s bathroom; and my wife absolutely wants a gallery.
Why did the design turn out as it is now?
I looked at almost every floor plan from all prefabricated house manufacturers and, annoyed by the “cookie-cutter” designs (keyword: living room/kitchen/dining all in one long corridor and stairs always immediately by the dirty entrance), I started working out my own floor plan. Many thanks to this forum because I have learned a lot from the floor plan discussions here! I even dealt with Feng Shui for the layout.
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
The rooms are ideally oriented to the sun: living spaces face south, unoccupied rooms face north. In addition, the slight slope (to the east) allows for nice walk-out basement rooms. The layout can also be easily split into two apartments, making it flexible for a barrier-free future. Technical aspects and piping were also considered: the utility room is on the street side and pipes/water lines don’t run erratically but are kept close together.
The only downside I see is that the kitchen is “far” from the entrance. However, I don’t find this very problematic and only mention it because it would probably be a common criticism.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
I’m grateful for suggestions or optimizations of any kind! Especially tips for the master bathroom. I’m not 100% satisfied yet.
Good luck
Alro
kaho674 schrieb:
Those who are skilled build what they like and what the clients want.In my opinion, a good architect is first and foremost a good listener—and does not aspire to become the Manolo among home designers (and be hyped in the scene as such).https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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Traumhaus202019 Feb 2019 08:38@11ant Why do you know so much about roofs?
It’s always surprising how a forum thread can run for 20 pages discussing an amateur design.
If I have a budget of 750k, I wouldn’t plan it myself but rather have a professional do it. The problem here is that the original poster (OP) is already so fixated on their floor plan that they have become “blind” to its flaws. If you want to build like this, even a simple approval stamp would be enough.
I see the risk that when the OP works with a competent architect, they will face a rude awakening. Because the professional will assess the spatial requirements first and then design accordingly. Of course, this happens in consultation with the client, but the result usually differs quite a bit from what the client initially planned.
I can share from personal experience. We also wanted to adapt a prefab house manufacturer’s plan to our plot. After a colleague’s brother (an architect) reviewed it, we realized that our design was a mess. We then approached three different architects and defined our space needs. The result was three completely different house types. We settled on the architect whose layout, in our opinion, best met our needs.
Originally, we wanted to build a two-story house with a pitched roof. In the end, it became a flat roof house.
Again, regarding the budget: 750k including interior finishes is mentioned. What exactly is included under “interior finishes”?
You planned just under 340 sqm (3,650 sqft) of floor area plus a 34 sqm (370 sqft) garage. I think the budget is going to be tight.
We have 288 sqm (3,100 sqft) of floor area and a 55 sqm (590 sqft) garage. We are currently at just under 700k only for the house, excluding the land and interior finishes like furniture, kitchen, etc. The garden is also not included.
Keep in mind that we contributed a lot of skilled labor ourselves: complete flat roof waterproofing, metalwork, basement waterproofing, parts of the electrical work, and flooring.
The shell construction, plastering, and painting work were done by relatives—uncles, in our case. Here too, we got very different prices compared to a regular customer.
As you can see, your budget sounds like a lot, but it’s not when it comes to a house of your size.
If I have a budget of 750k, I wouldn’t plan it myself but rather have a professional do it. The problem here is that the original poster (OP) is already so fixated on their floor plan that they have become “blind” to its flaws. If you want to build like this, even a simple approval stamp would be enough.
I see the risk that when the OP works with a competent architect, they will face a rude awakening. Because the professional will assess the spatial requirements first and then design accordingly. Of course, this happens in consultation with the client, but the result usually differs quite a bit from what the client initially planned.
I can share from personal experience. We also wanted to adapt a prefab house manufacturer’s plan to our plot. After a colleague’s brother (an architect) reviewed it, we realized that our design was a mess. We then approached three different architects and defined our space needs. The result was three completely different house types. We settled on the architect whose layout, in our opinion, best met our needs.
Originally, we wanted to build a two-story house with a pitched roof. In the end, it became a flat roof house.
Again, regarding the budget: 750k including interior finishes is mentioned. What exactly is included under “interior finishes”?
You planned just under 340 sqm (3,650 sqft) of floor area plus a 34 sqm (370 sqft) garage. I think the budget is going to be tight.
We have 288 sqm (3,100 sqft) of floor area and a 55 sqm (590 sqft) garage. We are currently at just under 700k only for the house, excluding the land and interior finishes like furniture, kitchen, etc. The garden is also not included.
Keep in mind that we contributed a lot of skilled labor ourselves: complete flat roof waterproofing, metalwork, basement waterproofing, parts of the electrical work, and flooring.
The shell construction, plastering, and painting work were done by relatives—uncles, in our case. Here too, we got very different prices compared to a regular customer.
As you can see, your budget sounds like a lot, but it’s not when it comes to a house of your size.
@Baufie
I think you might have missed that the original poster is just gathering ideas before going to the architect. He knows the architect will probably do everything differently, I believe.
Here’s another idea:
Even though it’s a bit impractical – another version with the water feature as a room divider:
I think you might have missed that the original poster is just gathering ideas before going to the architect. He knows the architect will probably do everything differently, I believe.
Here’s another idea:
Even though it’s a bit impractical – another version with the water feature as a room divider:
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Traumhaus202019 Feb 2019 13:13Baufie schrieb:
It’s always surprising how a layman’s draft sparks a 20-page discussion here in the forum. You find it surprising, I find it EXTREMELY helpful! Over these 20 pages, I’ve learned a lot and I also see some things quite differently now. (Except for those radical ideas like building without a basement )
By now, I can give the architect a much clearer room program.
When I look at my original floor plan now, I mostly think: what a mess...
Baufie schrieb:
If I have a budget of 750k, I wouldn’t plan myself but rather leave it to a professional. That’s the plan as well. I think Kaho674 is the only one who realized that I like to plan and “play around” with ideas and simply want to gather a lot of inspiration. Thanks to her, I now have the perfect master suite on the upper floor. I’m 99% sure no architect will present me a better solution there. Thanks Katja
As soon as the architect’s design is ready, I will post it immediately and then things will get serious...
Baufie schrieb:
You planned just under 340 sqm (just under 3,655 sq ft) of living space plus 34 sqm (about 366 sq ft) garage. I think the budget will be tight. I am VERY aware of that by now. I just have to explain it to my wife
Baufie schrieb:
We then went to three architects and defined our room requirements. The result was three completely different house types. We stayed with the architect who, in our opinion, best met our room layout needs. That’s exactly our plan... How did it go exactly? Specifically regarding payment? From what I understood from an architect I spoke to, about €7,000 are due for phases 1-3 (concept to design)? Or is that already the full design and you only need phase 1 for initial rough drafts?
Traumhaus2020 schrieb:
That’s our plan as well… How exactly did it go? I mean regarding payment? From what I understood from an architect I spoke to, about €7000 (performance phases 1-3) are due?! Or is that already for the final design and only performance phase 1 is needed for initial rough drafts?We arranged appointments with three architects and brought the site plan and zoning plan with us to the meetings.
During the discussions, we explained which rooms we wanted on each floor, the type of staircase, a separate parents’ area, a covered terrace, double garage, etc. And of course, the architects asked a lot of questions themselves.
It was also important for us to get to know the people in person during these meetings, as the chemistry had to be right.
None of the three asked for a fee upfront. The deliverables varied widely: two provided rough planning including elevations and such, and one made a hand sketch of the basement, ground floor, and upper floor. We ended up going with that architect, and the design developed gradually from there.
With the architect, we proceeded up to performance phase 5. He took care of the tendering for earthworks and the shell construction and also supervised it.
I managed the rest myself. It was quite a lot of work, but since most trades were carried out by family members or skilled workers known to my father, it worked out. Basically, I always obtained three quotes per trade.
My father and I coordinated everything together.
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