ᐅ 2 Bungalows on a 3,000 sqm Plot – Multigenerational Housing Project
Created on: 10 May 2019 11:04
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Hello everyone,
First, a brief introduction. I’m Andy, 35 years old, married, and embarking on building a house for the first time. I’m an employee, my wife is self-employed, and together with my parents-in-law, we plan to develop a large plot of land. The plot is already purchased and fully paid for with equity. For the construction of the houses, we have a budget of around €1.2 million, of which about €600k come from the sale of existing properties (my parents-in-law’s single-family house and our condominium) and a financing commitment for up to €600k.
We are currently in the planning phase for a multi-generation project, but my main focus is our house (“House 1”). The parents-in-law have already completed the plans for their bungalow (basically a modified ground-floor layout of their current house). The design is mine, adapted by the general contractor, and is currently with the architect for further revisions. I would really appreciate any tips, feedback, and ideas you might have.
I’ll follow the provided questionnaire:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 2935 sqm (31582 sq ft)
Slope: Yes, see attachment
Floor space index (FSI): 0.2
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.3
Building envelope: see attachment
Edge development: No
Number of parking spaces:
Number of storeys: 1 full storey
Roof style: Flexible
Architectural style: Modern
Orientation: Southwest
Maximum heights: Roof ridge height 3.50 m (11.5 ft) on slope side
Additional requirements: see attachment
Client requirements
Building type: Bungalow
Basement, storeys: No basement, 1 storey
Number of occupants, ages: 2, aged 35 and 31. Planning for 2 children
Office: Yes, space for two desks and some filing
Guest bedrooms per year: 10-15
Open or closed architecture: Open
Conservative or modern construction: Modern
Open kitchen, island: Both yes
Number of dining seats: 6-8
Fireplace: Nice to have but not essential
Music/sound wall: No
Balcony, roof terrace: No
Garage, carport: 2 garage spaces
Utility garden, greenhouse: Herb garden
Additional wishes: Dog shower
House design
Designed by: My design, implemented by the general contractor
What do you especially like? The atrium as a visual centerpiece and the related openness of the house
What do you dislike? Some wasted space, inconvenient furnishing of the walk-in closet due to 4 doors
Estimated cost according to architect/planner: €675k (approx. $720k) including paving, exposed concrete floor/wood flooring, painting, partial air conditioning, and additional upgrades. A horizontal roller shutter to close the entire atrium is also included (about €15k).
Personal price limit for the house including features: €750k (approx. $800k)
Preferred heating technology: Heat pump, photovoltaic system planned
If you had to give up something, on which details/extras
- could you compromise on: space in the parents’ area, 2 lift-and-slide doors in the atrium, lift-and-slide door in the living room
- could you not do without:
Why was the design made as it is?
After the attempt to build one large house including a granny flat on the front building plot was rejected, we are opting for two houses. To avoid further discussions about eaves height, we are building bungalows.
Contour lines:
Unfortunately, I cannot attach the PDF, but I hope the numbers are readable.
Open space plan:
Floor plan:
First, a brief introduction. I’m Andy, 35 years old, married, and embarking on building a house for the first time. I’m an employee, my wife is self-employed, and together with my parents-in-law, we plan to develop a large plot of land. The plot is already purchased and fully paid for with equity. For the construction of the houses, we have a budget of around €1.2 million, of which about €600k come from the sale of existing properties (my parents-in-law’s single-family house and our condominium) and a financing commitment for up to €600k.
We are currently in the planning phase for a multi-generation project, but my main focus is our house (“House 1”). The parents-in-law have already completed the plans for their bungalow (basically a modified ground-floor layout of their current house). The design is mine, adapted by the general contractor, and is currently with the architect for further revisions. I would really appreciate any tips, feedback, and ideas you might have.
I’ll follow the provided questionnaire:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 2935 sqm (31582 sq ft)
Slope: Yes, see attachment
Floor space index (FSI): 0.2
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.3
Building envelope: see attachment
Edge development: No
Number of parking spaces:
Number of storeys: 1 full storey
Roof style: Flexible
Architectural style: Modern
Orientation: Southwest
Maximum heights: Roof ridge height 3.50 m (11.5 ft) on slope side
Additional requirements: see attachment
Client requirements
Building type: Bungalow
Basement, storeys: No basement, 1 storey
Number of occupants, ages: 2, aged 35 and 31. Planning for 2 children
Office: Yes, space for two desks and some filing
Guest bedrooms per year: 10-15
Open or closed architecture: Open
Conservative or modern construction: Modern
Open kitchen, island: Both yes
Number of dining seats: 6-8
Fireplace: Nice to have but not essential
Music/sound wall: No
Balcony, roof terrace: No
Garage, carport: 2 garage spaces
Utility garden, greenhouse: Herb garden
Additional wishes: Dog shower
House design
Designed by: My design, implemented by the general contractor
What do you especially like? The atrium as a visual centerpiece and the related openness of the house
What do you dislike? Some wasted space, inconvenient furnishing of the walk-in closet due to 4 doors
Estimated cost according to architect/planner: €675k (approx. $720k) including paving, exposed concrete floor/wood flooring, painting, partial air conditioning, and additional upgrades. A horizontal roller shutter to close the entire atrium is also included (about €15k).
Personal price limit for the house including features: €750k (approx. $800k)
Preferred heating technology: Heat pump, photovoltaic system planned
If you had to give up something, on which details/extras
- could you compromise on: space in the parents’ area, 2 lift-and-slide doors in the atrium, lift-and-slide door in the living room
- could you not do without:
Why was the design made as it is?
After the attempt to build one large house including a granny flat on the front building plot was rejected, we are opting for two houses. To avoid further discussions about eaves height, we are building bungalows.
Contour lines:
Unfortunately, I cannot attach the PDF, but I hope the numbers are readable.
Open space plan:
Floor plan:
ypg schrieb:
What is the point of this here now?
The thread and the question regarding the floor plan have already been thoroughly discussed in another forum... the tips and "deficiencies" pointed out for the floor plan have not been implemented at all. It’s still the original floor plan.
However, you say that this and that will be done differently... -> then please post an updated draft here instead of repeating the same discussion. This forum was recommended to me in the other one, so that’s why I am here now. It seemed reasonable to post here again—getting more eyes and ideas surely can’t hurt.
And yes, there was already good input that still needs to be implemented. I don’t have any newer plans to share yet. Once everyone involved is back from vacation, we have an appointment with the architect to see what has been done. If necessary, I can refine the plans further, incorporating the points gathered here. As soon as I have something, I will of course share it.
@haydee Quite a bit of fill material is needed so that we don’t end up in a deep hole. Essentially, the house currently only rests on one corner of the existing terrain. I’ve attached the elevations showing the natural ground level, and the figures are easier to read there.
I have also already added furniture or digitally furnished the plan (using Home Design 3D). Unfortunately, I don’t have my iPad with me right now; otherwise, I could share some screenshots. The kitchen/dining/living area is arranged quite reasonably, although having more space wouldn’t hurt.
However, if the kitchen moves farther back, the path to the terrace becomes quite long.
I took the liberty of quickly sketching the current layout from memory and roughly adding some furniture. It’s obviously not to scale, but it might give a better idea of what I have in mind. The architect will definitely make some changes as well. As I mentioned, I will share the finalized plans as soon as I have them.
The three doors and windows make it difficult to use the space in the dressing room effectively, but I think it could work like this (custom carpentry will definitely be necessary here).
@nils_bs Thanks! The dressing room behind the bedroom is, of course, another option—I’ll take a closer look at that. The general idea was to design the bathroom and dressing area so that one can get ready without disturbing the other. I often have to get up very early and this way I could let my wife continue sleeping.
The three doors and windows make it difficult to use the space in the dressing room effectively, but I think it could work like this (custom carpentry will definitely be necessary here).
@nils_bs Thanks! The dressing room behind the bedroom is, of course, another option—I’ll take a closer look at that. The general idea was to design the bathroom and dressing area so that one can get ready without disturbing the other. I often have to get up very early and this way I could let my wife continue sleeping.
Your budget is generous but not abundant; for this project, it is actually quite tight.
Large house, extra ceiling height—I don’t think €2,000 per square meter (approx. $220 per square foot) will be enough.
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I’ll just share my thoughts:
- I don’t like those big boxy designs. They remind me of a community hall.
- I have my doubts that the atrium will bring in that much light. It looks good in the brochure, though.
- Children’s rooms are too small compared to the rest of the house.
- Children’s rooms are very far away. You will be walking a lot.
- The kitchen belongs next to the terrace, not the living room.
- The area could use more space.
- There is a lot of hallway space.
- Having the building services (mechanical room) next to the children’s rooms is suboptimal.
- The building services area doesn’t fit the glossy magazine style.
Have you considered a partial basement?
- Office downstairs (with children, the workspace is quieter there)
- Bathroom downstairs
- Later, one child can use it as an apartment
- Building services downstairs
- Proper storage room
Then upstairs, you can omit the office, children’s bathroom, building services, and add the stairs.
Make the walk-in closet smaller and better furnished. You can easily reduce it by 1 meter (3 feet) in width.
Move the children’s rooms closer to the parents’ area.
They can later be converted into an office.
I would avoid a square footprint.
Large house, extra ceiling height—I don’t think €2,000 per square meter (approx. $220 per square foot) will be enough.
Earthworks
Access road
Garage
I’ll just share my thoughts:
- I don’t like those big boxy designs. They remind me of a community hall.
- I have my doubts that the atrium will bring in that much light. It looks good in the brochure, though.
- Children’s rooms are too small compared to the rest of the house.
- Children’s rooms are very far away. You will be walking a lot.
- The kitchen belongs next to the terrace, not the living room.
- The area could use more space.
- There is a lot of hallway space.
- Having the building services (mechanical room) next to the children’s rooms is suboptimal.
- The building services area doesn’t fit the glossy magazine style.
Have you considered a partial basement?
- Office downstairs (with children, the workspace is quieter there)
- Bathroom downstairs
- Later, one child can use it as an apartment
- Building services downstairs
- Proper storage room
Then upstairs, you can omit the office, children’s bathroom, building services, and add the stairs.
Make the walk-in closet smaller and better furnished. You can easily reduce it by 1 meter (3 feet) in width.
Move the children’s rooms closer to the parents’ area.
They can later be converted into an office.
I would avoid a square footprint.
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