ᐅ Realistic Cost Estimate: Single-Family Home with Challenging Site Access
Created on: 20 Jan 2023 10:50
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schmeissrein
Hello everyone,
I have been following this forum for a while and first of all, a big thank you to everyone who shares their advice here and sometimes also speaks hard truths. I didn’t originally want to create a new thread but intended to form an opinion based on other discussions. However, you convinced me that this building project is too individual for that. So here is our plan:
- Building a new single-family house in the far north of Germany (Schleswig-Flensburg region).
- Plot size is over 1000sqm (10,764 sq ft).
- Total square meters are not so important as long as the layout works.
- Basement is not planned.
What we would like:
- Open-plan kitchen-living area of at least 36m² (388 sq ft).
- Guest room (at least 10m² / 108 sq ft) and small guest bathroom with shower on the ground floor, so that in old age, with disability, or a broken leg, the ground floor can be used independently and possibly serve as a bedroom.
- Utility room / storage room / pantry with heat pump of at least 8m² (86 sq ft) (KfW 40 standard would be great, of course).
- Upper floor with three rooms (1 office, 1 master bedroom, 1 child’s room) each at least 14m² (151 sq ft) and one bathroom. Our dream would be a “walk-in” (what a silly word – aren’t all showers walk-in?) shower to avoid having to clean those limescale-rusty, annoying shower enclosures.
- We could contribute labor for garden landscaping and painting/wallpapering; otherwise, we would prefer a turnkey build.
As for the house style, regionally typical Frisian houses or captain’s houses (with all the “cute” features like small gables, etc.) are in consideration, or also not completely unimaginative “normal” single-family houses. We are not afraid of Bauhaus-style concrete marvels either, but those tend to be more expensive. In terms of fittings, no “gold-plated faucets” and no smart home – but decent and presentable.
The big BUT: the plot is not connected to utilities, and the distance to the street is about 65m (213 ft), of which 50m (164 ft) is a paved driveway and paved parking area that would have to be dug up (across another property). The connection costs and incidental construction costs worry us quite a bit. Does anyone have experience with such a “mammoth connection” for a relatively small building project? What realistic costs should we expect for both?
We would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this project, thank you very much in advance!
I have been following this forum for a while and first of all, a big thank you to everyone who shares their advice here and sometimes also speaks hard truths. I didn’t originally want to create a new thread but intended to form an opinion based on other discussions. However, you convinced me that this building project is too individual for that. So here is our plan:
- Building a new single-family house in the far north of Germany (Schleswig-Flensburg region).
- Plot size is over 1000sqm (10,764 sq ft).
- Total square meters are not so important as long as the layout works.
- Basement is not planned.
What we would like:
- Open-plan kitchen-living area of at least 36m² (388 sq ft).
- Guest room (at least 10m² / 108 sq ft) and small guest bathroom with shower on the ground floor, so that in old age, with disability, or a broken leg, the ground floor can be used independently and possibly serve as a bedroom.
- Utility room / storage room / pantry with heat pump of at least 8m² (86 sq ft) (KfW 40 standard would be great, of course).
- Upper floor with three rooms (1 office, 1 master bedroom, 1 child’s room) each at least 14m² (151 sq ft) and one bathroom. Our dream would be a “walk-in” (what a silly word – aren’t all showers walk-in?) shower to avoid having to clean those limescale-rusty, annoying shower enclosures.
- We could contribute labor for garden landscaping and painting/wallpapering; otherwise, we would prefer a turnkey build.
As for the house style, regionally typical Frisian houses or captain’s houses (with all the “cute” features like small gables, etc.) are in consideration, or also not completely unimaginative “normal” single-family houses. We are not afraid of Bauhaus-style concrete marvels either, but those tend to be more expensive. In terms of fittings, no “gold-plated faucets” and no smart home – but decent and presentable.
The big BUT: the plot is not connected to utilities, and the distance to the street is about 65m (213 ft), of which 50m (164 ft) is a paved driveway and paved parking area that would have to be dug up (across another property). The connection costs and incidental construction costs worry us quite a bit. Does anyone have experience with such a “mammoth connection” for a relatively small building project? What realistic costs should we expect for both?
We would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this project, thank you very much in advance!
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hanghaus202320 Jan 2023 12:27schmeissrein schrieb:
Unfortunately, it’s a vicious circle: everyone basically refers you to the next person, especially the civil engineers. Oh, and a coordinated approach wouldn’t work schedule-wise because their calendars are too full. So it sounds like either the path remains dug up for half a year, or you have to dig multiple times—once for electricity, once for water, and so on… 🙄 Any numbers mentioned here won’t be helpful for you.
@hanghaus2023
Wow, you are really quick, thank you! There would also be a utility room added (I have already designed the floor plans), and no matter how I look at it, I never get below 130m² (1400 sq ft). €3200 plus additional costs is quite sobering, but I guess it's better than being overly optimistic and ending up bankrupt...
Wow, you are really quick, thank you! There would also be a utility room added (I have already designed the floor plans), and no matter how I look at it, I never get below 130m² (1400 sq ft). €3200 plus additional costs is quite sobering, but I guess it's better than being overly optimistic and ending up bankrupt...
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hanghaus202320 Jan 2023 12:33Then first contact the civil engineer for the sewer pipe. They should offer the complete service including backfilling. They will fill up to 1m (3.3 ft) below ground level. Then the other pipes will be installed step by step on top.
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hanghaus202320 Jan 2023 12:35Then show your idea. Without plans, no help.
schmeissrein schrieb:
Are you referring to the questionnaire by toxicmolotof? I did fill out about half of it but then thought that the information about us might not be very relevant to the construction cost itself and probably nobody would want to read it anyway. I have been around here for quite a while, even used to know the user @toxicmolotof whom I haven’t seen in far too long, but I don’t recall a questionnaire from them. I was obviously referring to THE questionnaire by @ypg https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-planung-unbedingt-vor-beitrag-erstellung-lesen.11714/, without which we know as little about the existing plot as about the future inhabitants of the home (those two mullet-haired cuties from the avatar picture?).
schmeissrein schrieb:
(I have already designed floor plans) and no matter how I look at it, I just can’t get under 130m² (1,399 sq ft). That is probably a typical size for a traditional two-child family in the middle-income bracket. It would certainly be helpful to share those, but more crucial for the specific question in this thread (given the self-identified Achilles’ heel of access road length) would first be the plot itself (please no “Santa Claus plot” sketches; as far as I know, official cadastral maps are available online in all federal states, and also Google Earth).
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hanghaus2023 schrieb:
According to your wishes, the house 125m2 (1345 sq ft) * 3200 Euros = 400k+ Utility room >8sqm (86 sq ft)schmeissrein schrieb:
(I have already designed the floor plans)No offense. But from experience, amateur floor plans under 140sqm (1507 sq ft) don’t work well, are often not buildable, or include small detours where space could be saved because the wish list is so long.Aside from that: 14sqm (151 sq ft) rooms are nice, but clearly a “wishful thinking” in a time when 12sqm (129 sq ft) is still the standard for kids and family, even though there are some for whom anything under 16sqm (172 sq ft) won’t do. And that’s exactly why the square peg doesn’t fit in the round hole.
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