ᐅ Utility connection pedestal in the garden vs. utility connection directly inside the utility room
Created on: 8 Jul 2020 14:32
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vorkalmatador
Hello everyone,
we are (hopefully) moving into a semi-detached house next autumn. It is located 50m (165 feet) from the street and main utility connection, situated in the second row.
For the electricity application, we now have to specify whether we want a connection pillar installed in the garden and roughly indicate its location, or if we prefer a connection directly in the utility room, in which case we need to submit the ground floor plan.
The topic of electrical installation for a new build is still quite confusing for me, and unfortunately, depending on whom I ask, I get different opinions.
The pillar should ideally be placed directly at the front boundary. Since we are having a back-to-back semi-detached house built, our plot starts right at the house. However, we cannot put the pillar in front before construction (it would be installed before the build to supply temporary construction power), as it wouldn’t survive the construction process. So it would have to be placed further inside the plot. According to an employee from the local electricity network company in Berlin, this does not make sense because there would be a main cable to the pillar and then two separate cables running back again to the utility room.
He also said that a connection directly into the utility room would not be significantly more expensive.
Acquaintances, however, say that there is an additional cost of about 2000€ for installing the connection in the utility room instead of a pillar.
What are your experiences? What is considered "state of the art"? Is a pillar even possible with our layout?
For reference: We are building on a slab foundation.
Maybe you can shed some light on this for me.
Best regards
we are (hopefully) moving into a semi-detached house next autumn. It is located 50m (165 feet) from the street and main utility connection, situated in the second row.
For the electricity application, we now have to specify whether we want a connection pillar installed in the garden and roughly indicate its location, or if we prefer a connection directly in the utility room, in which case we need to submit the ground floor plan.
The topic of electrical installation for a new build is still quite confusing for me, and unfortunately, depending on whom I ask, I get different opinions.
The pillar should ideally be placed directly at the front boundary. Since we are having a back-to-back semi-detached house built, our plot starts right at the house. However, we cannot put the pillar in front before construction (it would be installed before the build to supply temporary construction power), as it wouldn’t survive the construction process. So it would have to be placed further inside the plot. According to an employee from the local electricity network company in Berlin, this does not make sense because there would be a main cable to the pillar and then two separate cables running back again to the utility room.
He also said that a connection directly into the utility room would not be significantly more expensive.
Acquaintances, however, say that there is an additional cost of about 2000€ for installing the connection in the utility room instead of a pillar.
What are your experiences? What is considered "state of the art"? Is a pillar even possible with our layout?
For reference: We are building on a slab foundation.
Maybe you can shed some light on this for me.
Best regards
vorkalmatador schrieb:
From my understanding, the column costs €1070 and the box €1570, meaning there is only a €500 difference. That would be great. Is that correct? Or do I need both the column and the box if I want the connection installed inside the house? First, you are listing the net prices here. Gross price is €600. The difference here is mainly the earthworks. 3 meters (10 feet) from the property boundary versus 15 meters (50 feet).
vorkalmatador schrieb:
Also interesting is the point at the bottom, especially for us since it must be laid 50 meters (165 feet) to the rear: Depending on network coverage, you could be rejected for 50 meters (165 feet). However, in Berlin it should be feasible.
vorkalmatador schrieb:
Additional charge per running meter of extra length: €63.70
Price reduction per running meter of owner-performed work on private land**: €50.60
We plan to do the trenching and empty conduits ourselves. Does that mean the running meter costs us €50.60 or €13.10? €15.19 per running meter including VAT.
3 meters (10 feet) are included. So you have to pay for about 47 meters (155 feet), plus your private cable.
Fuchur schrieb:
That's funny. We wanted it that way because I don't know any other way. The network operator refused, completely prohibited throughout their entire area of responsibility; we only had the choice between a pole at the property boundary or a pole drilled onto the exterior wall.But you are allowed to install an external pole? Then the electrician must have misunderstood me. I want to place a pole at the property boundary.
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vorkalmatador8 Jul 2020 21:00danixf schrieb:
First, you list the net prices here. The gross price is 600€. The difference is also due to the earthworks. 3m (10 feet) from the property boundary to the connection point. The other one is 15m (50 feet).
Depending on network coverage, you might be denied for 50m (164 feet). But since this is Berlin, it should work.
15.19€/linear meter including VAT.
3m (10 feet) are included. So you have to pay for about 47m (155 feet), plus your private cable. I am aware that the prices I listed were net. That slipped in, sorry.
So the difference is 600€. I prefer the cabinet inside the utility room and expected a higher additional cost. So that fits. Also, if I understand correctly, 15m (50 feet) of wiring is included instead of 3m (10 feet). That already makes a difference.
So you also see it that the difference has to be calculated for the cable price, right? What do you mean by “plus your private cable”? I think the 15€ is “just” for the cable!?
vorkalmatador schrieb:
So a €600 difference. I actually prefer the enclosure in the utility room and expected a higher additional cost. So that works. Also, as far as I understand, 15m (50 feet) of wiring is included instead of 3m (10 feet). That already makes a difference.Oh, I thought the column was planned. I misunderstood that. Yes, exactly 15m (50 feet).vorkalmatador schrieb:
So you also think the difference should cover the cable cost, right? What do you mean by additional private cable? I think those €15 are “just” for the cable?!Yes, only the difference. I thought a column was intended. If the column were placed further away, private cable would have to be laid from there into the house accordingly. But that is avoided by having the connection in the utility room, of course. If doing it yourself, you still need to get the appropriate conduit. Make sure to pay attention to the correct color. And don’t forget the pull rope. Otherwise, it can easily get lost.
So, I had the on-site meeting with the electrician. He misunderstood me. He thought I wanted to install an outdoor pillar and share it with the builder of the rear half of the property. But we just want to place two pillars at the property boundary and then, through our own work, lay the empty conduits to the house connection box.
So everything is going as planned.
He also said that it doesn’t matter cost-wise whether the connection is outside or inside the house; only the length of the cable affects the price…
So everything is going as planned.
He also said that it doesn’t matter cost-wise whether the connection is outside or inside the house; only the length of the cable affects the price…
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