ᐅ Floor plan of a new build gable roof house, 145 sqm (approx. 1,560 sq ft), 9 x 11.5 meters, shortly before submitting the building permit application.
Created on: 11 Jan 2021 16:09
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FionaWT
Hello,
we are planning a new build on our 558 sqm (6005 sq ft) plot (new development area, neighboring buildings unknown).
Unfortunately, the plot shape is not ideal; it is trapezoidal. According to the development plan (building permit / planning permission), we have to set back 5 m (16 ft) from the street, which would leave us with a building area only 8.74 m (29 ft) wide. We have now planned a width of 9 m (30 ft) and therefore set back a total of 7.76 m (25.5 ft) from the street. We actually find this too far back, but we could not fit the floor plan otherwise.
The planned building volume is 9 x 11.5 m (30 x 38 ft). We are concerned that the hallway and kitchen might still be too narrow and long.
We would also like larger children's rooms but are unsure how to make that work.
We would appreciate ideas and suggestions for our planning as we are building for the first time and are sure we are overlooking some things.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 558 sqm (6005 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) to neighbors
Edge development: garage and parking spaces
Number of parking spaces: 2 per dwelling unit
Number of floors: 1.5 stories
Roof style: gable roof
Architectural style: modern
Orientation: southeast garden, main entrance on west side
Maximum heights / limits: eaves height 5.20 m (17 ft), ridge height 9.50 m (31 ft)
Client Requirements
Basement, floors: basement, ground floor, upper floor with knee wall 1.50 m (5 ft)
Number of people, ages: two adults (37 and 31 years), two toddlers (3 and 1 years old)
Room requirements on ground floor: cloakroom, WC with shower, open kitchen-dining-living area
Room requirements on upper floor: bedroom, walk-in closet, bathroom, two children’s rooms
Room requirements in basement: utility room, storage room, fitness room (basement higher than usual), office/guest room
Office: family use or home office?: office in basement for occasional home office use
Guests per year: 1-2 (sofa bed in office)
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island
Number of dining seats: 4-6
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why some things are preferred or not:
Main entrance should face the street; entrance on north side would be possible but due to building line only 3 m (10 ft) to neighbors and in driveway to garage, all maybe a bit tight
House Design
Designer: own design, revised and drawn by general contractor
What do you particularly like? Why?: kitchen facing the street desired, open kitchen-living-dining area very much liked, large cloakroom desired, lots of window area desired, kitchen definitely with island
What do you not like? Why?: long hallway is not ideal, kitchen and hallway too narrow due to the narrow building area at the front
Price estimate by builder: 440,000 € without land and garage (fixed price), of course also without exterior work
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 500,000 € without exterior work, land and garage
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on certain details / expansions
- can give up: fireplace, roof windows, bay windows
- cannot give up: corner glazing, wooden floors throughout except bathroom
Why did the design turn out this way?
adapted to the plot, kitchen should face the street, dining and living rooms to the garden
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Is the hallway too long and the passage by the stairs to the kitchen/dining area too narrow?
Is the kitchen and dining area too long and narrow? Is the living room too small?
The kitchen could be wider if the stair landing is omitted, but then cloakroom and WC become narrower.
Are the children’s rooms too small and is there enough window space there?
we are planning a new build on our 558 sqm (6005 sq ft) plot (new development area, neighboring buildings unknown).
Unfortunately, the plot shape is not ideal; it is trapezoidal. According to the development plan (building permit / planning permission), we have to set back 5 m (16 ft) from the street, which would leave us with a building area only 8.74 m (29 ft) wide. We have now planned a width of 9 m (30 ft) and therefore set back a total of 7.76 m (25.5 ft) from the street. We actually find this too far back, but we could not fit the floor plan otherwise.
The planned building volume is 9 x 11.5 m (30 x 38 ft). We are concerned that the hallway and kitchen might still be too narrow and long.
We would also like larger children's rooms but are unsure how to make that work.
We would appreciate ideas and suggestions for our planning as we are building for the first time and are sure we are overlooking some things.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 558 sqm (6005 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) to neighbors
Edge development: garage and parking spaces
Number of parking spaces: 2 per dwelling unit
Number of floors: 1.5 stories
Roof style: gable roof
Architectural style: modern
Orientation: southeast garden, main entrance on west side
Maximum heights / limits: eaves height 5.20 m (17 ft), ridge height 9.50 m (31 ft)
Client Requirements
Basement, floors: basement, ground floor, upper floor with knee wall 1.50 m (5 ft)
Number of people, ages: two adults (37 and 31 years), two toddlers (3 and 1 years old)
Room requirements on ground floor: cloakroom, WC with shower, open kitchen-dining-living area
Room requirements on upper floor: bedroom, walk-in closet, bathroom, two children’s rooms
Room requirements in basement: utility room, storage room, fitness room (basement higher than usual), office/guest room
Office: family use or home office?: office in basement for occasional home office use
Guests per year: 1-2 (sofa bed in office)
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island
Number of dining seats: 4-6
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why some things are preferred or not:
Main entrance should face the street; entrance on north side would be possible but due to building line only 3 m (10 ft) to neighbors and in driveway to garage, all maybe a bit tight
House Design
Designer: own design, revised and drawn by general contractor
What do you particularly like? Why?: kitchen facing the street desired, open kitchen-living-dining area very much liked, large cloakroom desired, lots of window area desired, kitchen definitely with island
What do you not like? Why?: long hallway is not ideal, kitchen and hallway too narrow due to the narrow building area at the front
Price estimate by builder: 440,000 € without land and garage (fixed price), of course also without exterior work
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 500,000 € without exterior work, land and garage
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on certain details / expansions
- can give up: fireplace, roof windows, bay windows
- cannot give up: corner glazing, wooden floors throughout except bathroom
Why did the design turn out this way?
adapted to the plot, kitchen should face the street, dining and living rooms to the garden
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Is the hallway too long and the passage by the stairs to the kitchen/dining area too narrow?
Is the kitchen and dining area too long and narrow? Is the living room too small?
The kitchen could be wider if the stair landing is omitted, but then cloakroom and WC become narrower.
Are the children’s rooms too small and is there enough window space there?
FionaWT schrieb:
The development plan (building permit/planning permission) specifies that the garage may only be located within the setback areas of the house. This is already problematic in the plan, but according to the municipality, a special permit could be granted for the small part where the garage extends behind the house. They are rather strange if this is not a misunderstanding. Tell me, what is the name of the development plan (Posemuckel No. 234 Wiesengrund II, no link!)?
Do you have no opinion on my suggestions regarding the rotation or the reduction?
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https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
11ant schrieb:
They seem a bit odd if this isn’t a misunderstanding. Can you tell me the name of the development plan (Posemuckel No. 234 Wiesengrund II, no link!)?
Don’t you have any opinion on my suggestions regarding rotation or reduction? I find the rotation difficult because, with so many windows along the entire length, you would only have about three meters (10 feet) to the neighbor. I appreciate every centimeter (inch) more distance, especially since we expect the neighbor to place their garage here (on the north side).
I’m still thinking about the reduction… if the kitchen is to remain at the front, we would have to do without the island; if the living room were placed there instead, a cabinet or the piano might fit here… as I said, I’m working through it and will sketch it out.
Is the name shown on the plan? I can’t find anything definitive… from Pröll - Milder GmbH, 07KDL17014, otherwise just the city’s development plan, northwest area.
The responsible lady at the local municipality seemed to think it was fine as is, but the higher-level officer at the district appears to disagree. Apparently, they have already encountered this problem with some building permit / planning permission applications. It’s still being clarified.
FionaWT schrieb:
Is the name on the plan? I can’t find anything clear… from Pröll - Milder GmbH, 07KDL17014, otherwise only the zoning plan from the city, northwest area. That sounds like information from the title block of the plan – but you should know the name of your municipality and your building area, right?
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
FionaWT schrieb:
YouThroughout the web, everyone uses informal address!FionaWT schrieb:
Deeper? Longer?Deeper. That would be your "wider."FionaWT schrieb:
The noises would be so minimal that you would hardly notice them when sitting on the sofa.Of course, they tell you that. They already have issues with the two doors on the upper floor in the planning. They have no interest in optimizing. Or how is it to sit on the sofa knowing that something is happening upstairs? Although, not everyone is sensitive to that.
FionaWT schrieb:
The garage is mainly set back that far because of the window in the stairwell.See my suggestion.
Optimized again because I found the hallway on the upper floor a bit too small and cramped. Now there is an open "dressing area," which I wouldn’t really call a dressing room anymore, but an open space with natural light coming through the dormer and enough room to accommodate wardrobes for clothes and cleaning supplies. In the bedroom, just a sideboard for underwear and socks, plus a place to hang or lay out the clothes currently being worn. (There is still enough space for a 2.5m (8 feet) wardrobe.)
But as I said, I have a completely different idea in mind.
Question: Does the garage also need to be set back 5m (16 feet) from the street, or can it be planned closer to the front?
But as I said, I have a completely different idea in mind.
Question: Does the garage also need to be set back 5m (16 feet) from the street, or can it be planned closer to the front?
We have almost the same floor plan on all three levels as you 🙂
Only on the ground floor our coat closet and guest bathroom are swapped, and both the coat closet and bathroom are fully enclosed rooms. This way, guests don’t have to notice all the clutter there. The entrance area is bright, open, and spacious, which our visitors often comment on.
The attic floor is exactly the same for us as well, regarding the staircase and all the children’s rooms, bedrooms, and bathroom. We also considered having a walk-in closet like you but ultimately decided against it and just left a long corridor instead. It has a window spanning the entire width of the corridor, which also functions as a dormer. This area will be a play corner at first and a reading nook when the kids are older.
The basement is almost identical too; we even have all four light wells in nearly the same positions 🙂
Only on the ground floor our coat closet and guest bathroom are swapped, and both the coat closet and bathroom are fully enclosed rooms. This way, guests don’t have to notice all the clutter there. The entrance area is bright, open, and spacious, which our visitors often comment on.
The attic floor is exactly the same for us as well, regarding the staircase and all the children’s rooms, bedrooms, and bathroom. We also considered having a walk-in closet like you but ultimately decided against it and just left a long corridor instead. It has a window spanning the entire width of the corridor, which also functions as a dormer. This area will be a play corner at first and a reading nook when the kids are older.
The basement is almost identical too; we even have all four light wells in nearly the same positions 🙂
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