ᐅ Planning the Location of the House and Garage Within the Building Envelope *Preliminary Planning*

Created on: 9 Aug 2016 10:52
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Häuslebau3r
Hello everyone,

I have been following the forum for quite some time now and am gradually approaching the “house building” project step by step, trying to learn as much as possible in advance.

Thanks to the many experts here, this has truly been an enjoyable experience in the way the community contributes. (end of flattery mode) 🙂

As I already mentioned in my first major thread, we are currently working on preliminary planning and considering the house design and its orientation on the plot, even before our first meetings with potential builders.

Taking several factors into account regarding the plot, such as price and an undeveloped east-facing location (sloping gently down to the east), we found a micro-location that we really like. We weren’t able to get our ideal size, but with 770m² (8300 sq ft), I think it’s more than sufficient. The main advantage for us is that the land can be fully paid for from our own funds, so until construction starts in early 2018, we will continue saving equity and paying off any remaining debts.

Katasterplan mit angrenzenden Grundstücken und hervorgehobenem Baugrundstück

Luftplan zeigt mehrere Grundstücke mit Häusern, Straßen und Feldern in einer Siedlung.

Außenansicht eines Hauses mit Garten und weitem Felderblick im ländlichen Umfeld.

Panorama eines offenen Baugrundstücks zwischen zwei Häusern mit Gartenfläche

Source: Excerpts from the development plan / self-created images

A building permit inquiry (building permit / planning permission) has already been submitted regarding the desired architectural style, and I have received approval to expand the building envelope up to 8 meters (26 feet) along the eastern boundary.

At the moment, we are leaning toward a rather classic city villa style (2 full floors with a hipped roof at 25° and a double garage).

Modernes weißes Einfamilienhaus mit großen Fenstern, Balkon, Terrasse mit Sitzgruppe und Garage.

Source: Weberhaus

Based on the budget we have personally set, we are initially planning without a basement. If it turns out to be feasible later on, we can still include it.

We have already visited model homes that appealed to us in terms of external design and even traveled from Bavaria to the Rhineland, and from there to Wuppertal for inspiration.

Right now, before the first planning meetings, we want to focus on finding the best possible orientation for the house and garage on the property, for example:

Lageplan eines Grundstücks mit Gebäuden, Grenzlinien und Straße

Lageplan eines Grundstücks mit Gebäudeumrissen und Grenzlinien

Source: Excerpts from the development plan

For me, one thing is already decided: the staircase, which I want to have exactly like this due to the fantastic light conditions. It captivated me at first sight.

Moderne Holzstufen-Treppe mit Metallgeländer in hellem Innenraum; runde Deckenlampe.

Moderne weiße Villa mit dunklem Dach, großen Fenstern und Terrasse im Garten.

Source: Weberhaus

Furthermore, we want to keep as much space as possible on the west and south sides to create what I consider an ideal sunny aspect and garden atmosphere.

This is also the tricky part, as the arrangement between house and garage is causing us some headaches.

Many questions arise, such as whether the garage should be placed in front of the house to free up more space on the south side, or rather beside the house (which would include a covered entrance area). A passage from the garage directly into the house is also under consideration. Or should the main entrance be on the west side instead, which might mean it would be uncovered?

Eingangsbereich eines modernen weißen Hauses mit schwarzer Tür, Korbsessel und Pflanzkübel.

Source for covered entrance: Weberhaus

I will post further key data throughout the thread as needed, in case I have forgotten anything important.

However, these points above need to be clarified first before we can continue planning the positioning of the dining, living, and kitchen areas, etc. (Of course, with a preference for south/west orientation).

I would appreciate any information and lively discussions.

Best regards, Andreas, and thank you in advance!
Häuslebau3r11 Aug 2016 13:14
Jochen104 schrieb:
Who is Oliver? I was wondering that in the last post already.
Jochen104 schrieb:


The floor plan is slowly taking shape. A few more notes:
Jochen104 schrieb:
Jochen104 schrieb:

  • The ground floor (GF) is identical, right?
  • I would make access to the bedroom either through the walk-in closet or the hallway. Not both.
  • The bathroom on the upper floor (UF) is only accessible via the walk-in closet. Where do your children shower/bathe?
  • The storage room, upstairs toilet, and pantry are quite narrow.


Shame on me

My colleague is actually named Oliver @Jochen104, I meant you though. But he kept jumping in here... well, you don’t get younger, sorry about that.

I just reviewed your points again.
  • The GF is almost the same both times. In the floor plan, the living room changes a bit depending on the window front of the gallery. (Except for the pantry, which I hadn’t placed correctly)
  • The master bedroom can only be reached through the walk-in closet.
  • From the walk-in closet you enter the bathroom. There is also direct access to the bathroom from the hallway.
  • I don’t really see a toilet upstairs as necessary. I think it will be either a toilet or a storage room.
RobsonMKK schrieb:
You won’t be able to do anything with that pantry. If I’m reading it right, it’s between 80 and 100 cm (31 and 39 inches). Once you put shelves in, no one can get through. And that corner isn’t helpful either.


As Jochen mentioned, I couldn’t really fit the pantry properly, so I left it out again in the latest revised versions. I only know it from my childhood home: pantry with sliding door, dimensions about 1.50 meters (59 inches) by 4-5 meters (13-16 feet). For that purpose, it’s basically sufficient. But it needs to be reconsidered.

As I said, I removed the pantry again and, as Yvonne suggested, created versions with and without a gallery.


Floor plan of a house: kitchen/dining, living room, office, terrace, north orientation.

Floor plan of a house: master bedroom, child 1, child 2, walk-in closet, bathroom, storage room, stairs, orientation.

Floor plan of a house: kitchen, dining, living room, office/guest room, utility room, guest bathroom, stairs, terrace.

Floor plan of a house with multiple rooms (bathroom, master and kids’ bedrooms, storage room).
RobsonMKK11 Aug 2016 13:18
Häuslebau3r schrieb:
Pantry with sliding door, dimensions approximately 1.50 meters by 4–5 meters (5 feet by 13–16 feet)

That would be fine as well. I have also had my views corrected on this. According to your sketch, however, the pantry was only a little over 80 cm (31 inches). And then it’s questionable what you could actually store there.
Häuslebau3r11 Aug 2016 13:21
RobsonMKK schrieb:
That would be fine as well. I was corrected on that. According to your sketch, the pantry would have been just over 80 cm (31.5 inches). And then it’s questionable what could actually be placed there.

Yes, I can’t deny that.

In terms of space, the pantry would probably be the only feasible option there. Regarding the measurements and the to-scale layout, it’s not 100% accurate anyway. It’s mainly about the placement of the rooms, or rather the house and the garage, on the plot or within the building permit/planning permission area, which I want to use for a preliminary design.

At that stage, everything should be accurate in detail as well, including the square meters and house size.
Jochen10411 Aug 2016 14:05
Häuslebau3r schrieb:
Shame on me

No problem. I already suspected you meant me
Häuslebau3r schrieb:
There is access to the bathroom from the walk-in closet. Also, from the hallway outside, there is direct access to the bathroom.

Sorry, the images were so small on my screen that I actually read bathroom as bedroom. But for the bathroom, I would suggest only one entrance.

I prefer the second option. The open space above is visually nice, but I doubt it will offer significant benefits for you over the next 40 years.

Next, I would recommend drawing the layouts with realistic wall thicknesses and realistic furniture. This way, you can already estimate whether the space will meet your needs or if you might be able to save half a meter (around 1.5 feet) somewhere. Regarding the staircase, there are some great size overviews here by @kbt09.
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ypg
11 Aug 2016 14:13
I don’t like to be a party pooper, but if your budget limit is 300,000, then you shouldn’t fall in love with the glossy photos.
A staircase costs money, as does an open space area, plus the amount of square meters with recesses and projections... Large window surfaces... With the oversized garage, I’m more likely seeing a 400,000 figure. Without a basement!
I’m not an expert on house costs, but I can definitely recognize “small” costly details.
Häuslebau3r11 Aug 2016 14:56
Jochen104 schrieb:
No problem. I already suspected you meant me
Sorry, the images appeared so small on my screen that I actually read bathroom instead of bedroom. But for the bathroom, I would only plan one access point.
I like the second option better. An open space above looks nice visually, but I doubt it will offer you any major benefits for the next 40 years.
Next, I would suggest drawing the variants with realistic wall thicknesses and realistic furniture layouts. That way, you can estimate whether this will meet your space requirements or if you might even save half a meter somewhere. For the staircase, @kbt09 has some great size overviews here.


Oh, I thought I had missed something.
Regarding the access points, I thought the parents would always have to leave the room (in case the children have guests, or something like that). But I’m still a complete novice in all of this and happy to learn

I need to get a bit smarter about such drawing programs; until now, I’ve only used the usual available drawing and word processing programs.
Let’s see if my CAD programs still work.

About the staircase, if kbt09 doesn’t join in, I’ll try to tackle that myself.
Thanks for the tip.

ypg schrieb:
I hate to be a killjoy, but if your budget limit is $300,000, you shouldn’t fall in love with glossy photos.
Such a staircase costs money, so does an open space above, plus all that floor area with projections and recesses... Large window surfaces... With that oversized garage, I’m rather expecting a 400,000 figure upfront. Without a basement!
I’m no expert on construction costs, but I can recognize “small” expensive details very well

Oh Yvonne, don’t worry about that. Most people are actually glad that there are folks like you who help take some wind out of our sails. There’s a lot to see and read from what you so nicely called “glossy photos or show magazines and model homes,” and in the end, there’s the harsh reality.

Regarding the actual costs, I will definitely be able to roughly estimate that explicitly within the next weeks and months. An appointment for preliminary planning will be set in the next few days. Then, as I’m sure you all know, the cut list can begin, and gradually the possible real dream object will take shape. (Currently, based on experiences from acquaintances’ construction projects we are involved in, I’m still optimistic that we can achieve quite a bit with government subsidies. Also, considering the network of acquaintances and family in the construction trades like electricians, civil/construction workers, masons, carpenters, landscapers, and a very good friend who owns a joinery workshop. But we’ve already covered this topic elsewhere.)

Nonetheless, for example, I can really imagine your floor plan even without a gallery. I think we will seriously consider it, or I will try to draw it with wall thickness included. Possibly with a slanted wall at the top like in the gallery design, but without the gallery. I find the slant livens things up a bit in the otherwise very straightforward hallway layout. (Even if this means going back to a drawing board and the old-fashioned way.)

Best regards, Andi

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